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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio that now

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here's Jean Steinberg with Jean and

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Chris we welcome back our compatriot

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from the para cast community forums and

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the host of the dark matters radio show

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the once and original and there's a

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story in that that we might not get into

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the once an original Dark Matters radio

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show the one the only Don Ecker Don

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welcome back to the para cast well thank

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you James as always a great pleasure to

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be here I hope you're all doing well

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actually you and I were trading dark

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stories before the show began I have one

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dog a little be Shawn actually quite a

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big Bichon because you might have a wee

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bit of poodle in him and you have a

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couple of dogs so we're telling dog

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stories and that's how we passed her

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time now one of the things I wanted to

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talk about with Don is a phenomenon and

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I guess it relates back to the old

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internet flaming routines that he and I

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both saw online dating back to the 1980s

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where people because they can be

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anonymous online or even when they're

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not anonymous instead of just gently

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debating back and forth they scream and

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yell at each other now I'm sure you done

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observed a lot of this when you were a

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monitoring forms back in the 80s but we

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have a phenomenon called I call it the

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one-sentence

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freakout Don you get what I'm talking

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about well back in those days they

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called it flame wars right and it was

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frustrating and irritating and angering

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but you know it simply took me a while

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to come to at least for my purposes

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fully understand the not only the

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futility of it but the juvenile almost

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grade school or junior high school

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activity that was being carried on these

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especially if I'm a forum administrator

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and I encounter something like that on

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the form that I'm administrating now

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give them one warning to knock it off or

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ah then the the awesome famous infamous

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ban button is hit we see this of course

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at the power cast community forums that

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forum about the power cast com where

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people get upset over the littlest

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things but I've seen this spread to the

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show and I'll give you an example this

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time so the one sentence freak out is

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defined as saying something that may or

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may not be a little provocative but in

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response somebody is going to spend

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thousands of words arguing the issue

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okay I'll give the example so a couple

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of years ago Chris makes an offhand

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crack about a woman you and I both know

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about who was attacking a famous UFO

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abduction researcher and I don't want to

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mention her name because it will start

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the whole thing over again and it really

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isn't productive so Chris made a remark

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oh she is stalking him okay so the

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person involved wrote this long article

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a couple of thousand words or more

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attacking me from making the statement

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that Chris made attacking you right okay

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well hey you've got the broad shoulders

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every once in a while you've got to

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tolerate the slings and arrows that come

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at you okay but the point being here is

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that it was just a couple of words and

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it started a whole flame war and people

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responded to it not in our forums but in

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their forms people responded to it made

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a big deal Jeane we saw we saw basically

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in maybe a bit smaller venue but we saw

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the same thing with the philip in broad

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nose

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expose that that ended up happening on

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the podcast and of course this was a big

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enough story that it soon flowed

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throughout the entire internet and there

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were people that that started taking

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shots not only at the para cast but at

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you at me at Chris O'Brien at other

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people primarily Lance Moody who's been

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a longtime user on the para cast you

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know it's it's a phenomenon that just as

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far as I'm concerned prove the old adage

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that no matter how much technology you

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can put in front of some people it

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doesn't change the fact that they're

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let me give you a brief about

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what that's about now all that happened

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here is something we've seen in the UFO

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field before the people show up and they

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bring these credentials with them they

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claim to be doctors they claim to have

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master's degrees they claim to have a

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certain level of military experience and

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every so often you check them out now

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this is not an uncommon phenomenon it

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happens in the real world as opposed to

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our little world to where people apply

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for jobs and have fake credentials and

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we've seen people get nationally famous

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jobs because of falsified resume so

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lance moody decided that maybe phil and

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brock know was too overeager

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emphasizing his connections with MIT you

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know he's got degrees from there he's

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wearing the MIT t-shirt all that so he

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had the vibe

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he had the instinct and he went ahead

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and he checked him out found the guy's

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degrees were fake and then further

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because of you and some other people in

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our forums it looked like Phil and Brock

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knows military credentials were fake

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that was strictly me he had been a guest

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on my show dark matters radio a couple

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of times and at the time I thought it

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was rather odd but he seemed to

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emphasize his military experience in

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Vietnam as a member of the United States

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Army Special Forces so after him Brock

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no did that a couple of times I thought

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it was rather odd and

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it wasn't really I really didn't decide

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to follow up on that yeah you don't like

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everything I've got a usually a lot on

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my plate and I heard from Lance Modi who

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sent me information regarding the lack

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of credentials the fraudulent exercised

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that in Bracknell was was going on about

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his MIT connection so that kind of that

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kind of gave me an impetus to stop for a

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second and say well you know what if in

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fact he did lie about that and he is a

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fraudulent schmuck regarding his

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academic credentials I'm gonna go ahead

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and do a background on him through

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people I know in the Special Forces

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community so I went ahead contacted a

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couple of guys that I know pretty damned

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well and asked them to check him out and

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the bottom line was it was all

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fraudulent and I mean it collapsed his

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entire public bio collapse like a house

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of cards within a couple of days and I

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stepped of faking your military record

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it's called stolen valor and if you say

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that for example you have received some

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kind of award

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as a result of your military service

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some kind of honor right right well you

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know what's a phenomenon you know this

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is what's so ironic about this whole

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thing from my standpoint now you guys

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are both you know somewhere in in my age

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bracket as far as generational and I was

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a Vietnam vet and when I came back like

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most vets at that time we were treated

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horribly by the public at large the

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Vietnam the whole Vietnam War was was

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extremely unpopular we were parried

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parried on on television Vietnam

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veterans were painted with a

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the brush that they were all lunatics

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baby killers and what-have-you from

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Hollywood and it wasn't until the the

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early to mid-1980s after the

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construction of the Vietnam War Memorial

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in Washington DC that suddenly these

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guys started to surface out of the

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woodwork claiming to have been special

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forces in Vietnam Navy SEALs in Vietnam

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all this stuff and it became actually a

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rather big phenomenon and you can find a

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lot of information about that on the web

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you know we'll look into that because

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this is part and parcel of what we deal

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with because we deal with people who

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pretend to be people or have credentials

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that are fake

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very unfortunate we got more to go we

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have Don Ecker joining gene and Chris

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matters radio show the once an original

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Dark Matters radio show I understand

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somebody out there is going to be using

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that name for a radio show we will not

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mention who that person is how about

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that why not you know what okay it's art

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bell now because the dark bells dark

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matter yeah what a faux pas I can't

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believe he didn't check that out and

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make sure the name was free and clear he

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didn't know Chris he you know art bell

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knows me and it's not like my radio show

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is a hidden little secret somewhere on

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the web I tried to get in touch with

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with Bell about that I haven't heard

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anything as of this morning at any rate

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so we'll we'll simply see where this

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goes but you know I I really think he's

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you know he's going to ultimately in the

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long run he's going to hurt himself by

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doing that now

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have you thought or considered calling

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somebody over at Sirius XM radio say hey

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I am the host of the dark Madras radio

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show which has been on the air off and

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on for what over twenty years or

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something and now you've got a show

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called art bells dark matter don't you

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think there's a conflict now we have no

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in show business that's not unusual I

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mean you have for example the dark skies

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TV show that Bryce Abel was co-producer

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of back in the 1990's now I think the

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name is owned by Sony and then they came

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out with a dark skies movie in the last

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year or two actually pretty decent movie

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but the name being owned by the

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production company they can do what they

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want

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well I'm pursuing a Kepler avenues about

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that will

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see I mean I'm really not in any

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position publicly right now to say one

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way or the other what what we are doing

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but we're doing something at this point

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the point being here is that you're

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trying to pursue this in private circles

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let's leave it at that okay we go back

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to the concept and you would mentioned

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this with the Vietnam War veterans that

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finally in the 1980s whether you approve

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of the war or not you had to realize the

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people who went over there we're doing

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their jobs we have these brave soldiers

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who suffered all sorts of injuries

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physical and mental and they come back

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here and they need to be treated as

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heroes but when it became the right

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thing to do we had people going out

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there claiming they were Vietnam

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veterans they received these Bronze

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Stars and everything had never happened

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in fillin Bragg know being one of them

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now what benefit is the somebody to

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claim military experience they don't

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have don't they realize they could be

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exposed I'm certainly no psychiatrist

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I'm no psychoanalyst but I was a cop for

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a lot of years

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and I had to practice a type of street

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psychology when I was a cop and I gotta

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tell you I think and this is simply my

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own humble opinion that the MIT thing

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the green beret thing I think this was

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simply in brog know fulfilling a need

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that he has within his ego now I've been

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contacted since all that happened back

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in 2011 by several people that claimed

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to have been students of in brog knows

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when he was teaching high school now

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were these guys actually students I

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don't know I tend to think they were one

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of these guys was actually very specific

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about certain things that he told me and

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to make a long story short according to

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him Umbraco was kind of a weird duck

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when he was a school teacher

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and he you know he relayed several

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alleged happenings to me and you know

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what do you do with something like that

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the guy's already gone he's gone

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apparently underground he hasn't been

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seen or heard from his former writing

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partner rosemary ellen guiley has

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disassociated herself entirely from him

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so you know hopefully the story is

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closed but if you've been in this field

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any length of time EGH you soon come to

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realize that just because someone was

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exposed for being a fraudulent schmuck

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that's no guarantee that they won't

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surface with a whole new story down the

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road you can't keep a good story down so

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you expose a person as a hoaxer and they

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come back and they continue to

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perpetrate the hoax same thing is true

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for sightings well you expose a sighting

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as being faked that doesn't mean the

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legend won't follow you what villain

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brog no it's much more personal with me

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so actually my my bottom line with him

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Brock know is he's a lying scumbag but

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by the way in case you're wondering

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whether he'll sue us number one he's a

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public figure okay number two more than

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likely he's gonna do nothing because

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it's not just whether or not he's a

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lying scumbag but we've already exposed

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his fake educational credentials and the

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defense against a defamation lawsuit is

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the truth not to mention his fake

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military credentials and that's yeah

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that that really puts it over the top

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it's one thing to have a MIT diploma on

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your wall where an MIT ring be very I

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don't know I guess so lacking in

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self-worth that you have to be

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photographed in MIT shirts there's

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something kind of sick about all that

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and there's something pathological going

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on I just kind of have a hunch I'm no

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psychologist but but I must say Don why

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don't you tell us how you really feel

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about Phil oh that's interesting

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here to film had none of these

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credentials he just said look I'm a high

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school teacher but he did all this

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research he co-authored a book with dr.

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J Allen Hynek wouldn't that be enough

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and at the same token doesn't that put

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anything he wrote anything he claimed in

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any of his books under question because

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if he fakes his credentials what else

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did he fake well absolutely and I mean

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hey look you can go back the last 23 24

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25 years and you can see example after

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example after example of this kind of

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crap generally because hey let's face it

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the three of us inhabit this UFO /

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paranormal realm so naturally we're

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going to be focused on that but when my

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wife and I were publishing UFO magazine

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and she of course was the person that

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founded UFO magazine we started getting

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into what at the time I called

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housecleaning

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for the UFO field because we had a

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tremendous amount of people making some

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tremendously extraordinary claims and I

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decided to go check some of these claims

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out so I did now there was a famous case

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at the time of a guy who was not only

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claiming Air Force fighter jet

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credentials but he was prominently

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featured in Timothy Goods first book

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above top secret and in the book he was

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called by a pseudonym Mel Noel now about

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1990 down in the San Diego area Vicki

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and I were down there at some UFO a

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function that was going on covering it

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for UFO magazine and somebody introduced

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me to this guy and at the time he was

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going by the name of guy Kirkwood and

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before we find out about Mel Noel guy

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Kirkwood or someone or other we've got

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frauds the fakers in the UFO field

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about the one-sentence freakout where

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you say something that might be

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innocuous or a little provocative and

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people go to town on it but right now

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you're talking about this guy named Mel

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Noel we encountered who was something

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far other than what he claimed to be

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proceed well when I met him I mean and

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I'll tell you right up front

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the guy was charming friendly warm a

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really rock on tour I mean he could spin

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some stories and I had no reason to

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doubt at the time what he was telling me

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I said you know what guy Kirkwood I'd

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love to do an article about this for you

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up old magazine and he was oh yeah he

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said sure I'd be happy to do that I said

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break now all I need you to do is show

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me your military credentials show me an

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ID card

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show me your dd-214 something that that

611
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proved that you were an Air Force jet

612
00:28:30,500 --> 00:28:28,170
pilot well he said no problem can do and

613
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that was the last I heard from him so

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about a year later suddenly there was a

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TV show on I and I'm trying to remember

616
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now it may have been either sightings or

617
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encounters and Linda Moulton Howe was on

618
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they're bringing on guy Kirkwood and he

619
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was talking about his career in the Air

620
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Force and about chasing flies

621
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saucers out of a secret Air Force Base

622
00:29:08,060 --> 00:29:04,760
in Utah back about 1954 he was an f-86

623
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Sabre jet fighter pilot according to

624
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:12,600
what what he said well I suddenly got a

625
00:29:18,620 --> 00:29:15,120
series of phone calls from a number of

626
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:18,630
people one of them being a longtime UFO

627
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:21,450
aficionado by the name of Fritz Crone

628
00:29:29,780 --> 00:29:26,880
and he just started to chew my ear up

629
00:29:33,710 --> 00:29:29,790
about this guy and he said he was

630
00:29:37,070 --> 00:29:33,720
exposed back in the 60s and I said well

631
00:29:40,190 --> 00:29:37,080
ok fritz let me do a little research and

632
00:29:44,150 --> 00:29:40,200
I started doing some background on him

633
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:44,160
and sure enough he was now back in those

634
00:29:50,390 --> 00:29:48,000
days another rather famous California

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personality by the name of Robert Bob

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Dornan or b1 Bob as he was known who was

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then a US Congress person had had a

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television show called temple in Los

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Angeles in the Los Angeles area now it

640
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just so happened that Bob Dornan when he

641
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was in the Air Force was an f-100 Super

642
00:30:25,460 --> 00:30:21,270
Sabre jet pilot now back in the 60s guy

643
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Kirkwood who was also known as no Bryce

644
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Cornwall among some of his other

645
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:34,400
pseudonym z' had attached himself to a

646
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:38,970
real hoaxed story coming from a former

647
00:30:46,010 --> 00:30:42,290
Italian immigrant who was then living

648
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:46,020
down in Mexico and it's a long involved

649
00:30:52,370 --> 00:30:48,450
story but the long and the short of it

650
00:30:56,750 --> 00:30:52,380
was that Look magazine I believe it was

651
00:31:00,919 --> 00:30:56,760
got interested in the case and the guy

652
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that was chasing the story was a fella

653
00:31:09,070 --> 00:31:05,300
by the name of Don Dornan who was Bob

654
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Dornan's brother and he went down to

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Mexico with Kirkwood and a couple of

656
00:31:18,940 --> 00:31:16,580
other people to interview this Italian

657
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:18,950
immigrant that was living down there the

658
00:31:24,100 --> 00:31:22,250
guy was was an alcoholic when you went

659
00:31:26,050 --> 00:31:24,110
down to his house the first thing you

660
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had to do was take him down a bottle or

661
00:31:31,270 --> 00:31:29,090
two of of liquor and boy you were

662
00:31:35,530 --> 00:31:31,280
welcomed into his house with open arms

663
00:31:39,100 --> 00:31:35,540
and he started spinning this incredible

664
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story that literally ranged back to

665
00:31:46,990 --> 00:31:43,820
before World War two and involved Benito

666
00:31:49,930 --> 00:31:47,000
Mussolini the Italian dictator of the

667
00:31:53,500 --> 00:31:49,940
fascists now there was a tremendous

668
00:31:56,380 --> 00:31:53,510
story about these guys that uncovered

669
00:31:58,960 --> 00:31:56,390
some kind of secret UFO base down there

670
00:32:01,480 --> 00:31:58,970
they got their hands on some technology

671
00:32:02,620 --> 00:32:01,490
I mean it it sounded like a plot for a

672
00:32:05,140 --> 00:32:02,630
science-fiction movie

673
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:05,150
but to make a long story short this guy

674
00:32:12,150 --> 00:32:08,240
claimed that these scientists escaped

675
00:32:15,910 --> 00:32:12,160
Mussolini came to South America set up a

676
00:32:18,220 --> 00:32:15,920
colony there and were working on all

677
00:32:22,380 --> 00:32:18,230
this advanced technology now at that

678
00:32:27,100 --> 00:32:22,390
time guy Kirkwood was going around

679
00:32:29,770 --> 00:32:27,110
securing seats on this flying saucer for

680
00:32:33,790 --> 00:32:29,780
people to take rides on and it was a big

681
00:32:36,940 --> 00:32:33,800
thing even John keel talked about this

682
00:32:39,910 --> 00:32:36,950
in his book Disneyland of the gods

683
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:39,920
I remember oh my goodness oh they I mean

684
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:42,530
this this was a this was a story let me

685
00:32:47,950 --> 00:32:45,530
tell you so at any rate I did this

686
00:32:52,030 --> 00:32:47,960
research and I interviewed a lot of

687
00:32:54,670 --> 00:32:52,040
people and I had the story ready to go

688
00:32:58,780 --> 00:32:54,680
and if I'm not mistaken I believe it

689
00:33:03,010 --> 00:32:58,790
came out around February of 1992 but I

690
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:03,020
called Kirkwood up and I said guy I know

691
00:33:08,620 --> 00:33:05,690
that you've been avoiding me but I said

692
00:33:11,830 --> 00:33:08,630
I have an article here that I want you

693
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:11,840
to look at before we run it I'm telling

694
00:33:16,330 --> 00:33:14,240
you now I'm giving you an opportunity to

695
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:16,340
respond to it you practice real

696
00:33:20,350 --> 00:33:18,410
journalism by the way and that's fairly

697
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:20,360
traditional you do a story about someone

698
00:33:24,820 --> 00:33:22,370
and you want them to comment

699
00:33:27,159 --> 00:33:24,830
what's going on you don't just break it

700
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:27,169
unless there's no way to contact the

701
00:33:33,970 --> 00:33:31,130
person well he came up and came into at

702
00:33:36,039 --> 00:33:33,980
the time we were publishing UFO magazine

703
00:33:38,890 --> 00:33:36,049
out of her house we didn't have our

704
00:33:41,620 --> 00:33:38,900
offices at the time and he came up came

705
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:41,630
into the kitchen sat down I gave him a

706
00:33:46,899 --> 00:33:44,450
cup of coffee and I handed him the story

707
00:33:50,649 --> 00:33:46,909
photographs and all because Don warned

708
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:50,659
him when he went down there capped all

709
00:33:55,690 --> 00:33:53,090
those photographs and he gave the whole

710
00:33:57,940 --> 00:33:55,700
kit and caboodle to me he said here he

711
00:34:01,120 --> 00:33:57,950
said I don't need these he said you can

712
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:01,130
use any of them you want to so Kirkwood

713
00:34:06,700 --> 00:34:04,130
sat there in the chair and he read

714
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:06,710
through the whole thing and when he got

715
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:10,490
done I said okay guy now if you furnish

716
00:34:17,980 --> 00:34:15,770
me with your dd-214 I won't run this he

717
00:34:20,589 --> 00:34:17,990
just got up and he walked out of the

718
00:34:24,399 --> 00:34:20,599
house and that was the last time I ever

719
00:34:29,740 --> 00:34:24,409
talked to him now just to show you how

720
00:34:32,770 --> 00:34:29,750
some people won't accept a smacking them

721
00:34:35,740 --> 00:34:32,780
in the eye when they receive it it was

722
00:34:39,190 --> 00:34:35,750
not long after that and back in those

723
00:34:43,720 --> 00:34:39,200
days I used to inhabit the UFO update

724
00:34:46,570 --> 00:34:43,730
list that was out of Canada and in some

725
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:46,580
fashion they still have that list

726
00:34:53,230 --> 00:34:49,970
although it's not even a pale shadow of

727
00:34:55,119 --> 00:34:53,240
what it was back when Glen Campbell was

728
00:34:56,770 --> 00:34:55,129
running it you know I was wandering

729
00:34:59,380 --> 00:34:56,780
passing whether we should set up our own

730
00:35:02,200 --> 00:34:59,390
mailing list that would use current

731
00:35:04,089 --> 00:35:02,210
technology and would finally actually

732
00:35:06,270 --> 00:35:04,099
bring all that stuff together I'm just

733
00:35:11,230 --> 00:35:06,280
thinking about it let's go on well so

734
00:35:14,290 --> 00:35:11,240
one day I'm shot into that list and I

735
00:35:17,020 --> 00:35:14,300
was just looking to see what the topic

736
00:35:19,380 --> 00:35:17,030
headlines were and I saw something in

737
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:19,390
there about the guy Kirkwood and my

738
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:23,599
expose on and I popped in there and

739
00:35:31,030 --> 00:35:26,570
there was a at the time fairly

740
00:35:35,970 --> 00:35:31,040
well-known UFO guy that was in there and

741
00:35:38,940 --> 00:35:35,980
he was taking not only potshots at me

742
00:35:42,570 --> 00:35:38,950
about this expose but he was he was

743
00:35:45,450 --> 00:35:42,580
trying a full-on artillery barrage so I

744
00:35:47,700 --> 00:35:45,460
popped in there and I said look what's

745
00:35:51,450 --> 00:35:47,710
your what's your beef I said this the

746
00:35:53,700 --> 00:35:51,460
story is researched I said I've talked

747
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to all kinds of people that were

748
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:55,630
involved with it I said I've got the

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background what what the hell's your

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problem and he refused to answer me so I

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went back and he still refused so I went

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back a third time and finally I shamed

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him and I said look you're gonna sit

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here and tell me that I screwed this

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story up I want to know exactly where I

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screwed the story up and he finally

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popped off and he said well you've got

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names all the damn time and you're and

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how the hell would you know even if I

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did you know what this leads me to some

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other stuff we'll talk about the case of

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this is a skirt 70 author of you up on

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the street singer and listening to that

866
00:41:16,220 --> 00:41:14,520
Park is on the para casters gene and

867
00:41:18,980 --> 00:41:16,230
Chris we've got the dogs in the

868
00:41:20,900 --> 00:41:18,990
neighborhood upset over the fact that

869
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:20,910
Don Ecker wrote a story and got

870
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somebody's fake middle name wrong

871
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Don yeah that's about the long and short

872
00:41:32,990 --> 00:41:30,090
of it so you know there was I guess the

873
00:41:37,700 --> 00:41:33,000
the lesson to take away from something

874
00:41:42,530 --> 00:41:37,710
like this is that no matter what you do

875
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:42,540
or how well or how badly you do it there

876
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:45,570
gonna be people out there that for any

877
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:48,720
number of reasons are going to take

878
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:51,530
shots at you perhaps because of

879
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:55,290
professional jealousy or or other things

880
00:41:59,720 --> 00:41:56,880
who knows maybe you didn't like the way

881
00:42:02,600 --> 00:41:59,730
I comb my hair but that's just part and

882
00:42:04,910 --> 00:42:02,610
parcel of this culture that we inhabit

883
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:04,920
today and you know it's not just in the

884
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:06,800
UFO field there's a site called

885
00:42:11,630 --> 00:42:09,690
PolitiFact and politifact what they do

886
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:11,640
is they take statements by politicians

887
00:42:17,060 --> 00:42:14,400
and they evaluate them in accordance

888
00:42:18,740 --> 00:42:17,070
with their research it's not always

889
00:42:20,900 --> 00:42:18,750
perfect i mean you can dispute some of

890
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:20,910
their answers don't equate us with

891
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:23,610
politicians okay because they're all

892
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:25,920
have pants on fire but that's the rating

893
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:28,290
so if you are really lying you get a

894
00:42:33,470 --> 00:42:30,960
pants on fire now the Washington Post

895
00:42:35,450 --> 00:42:33,480
uses Pinocchio's you know the nose

896
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:35,460
getting longer and everything so if you

897
00:42:39,620 --> 00:42:37,410
are really lying you get four Pinocchios

898
00:42:41,660 --> 00:42:39,630
but they will correct all these missed

899
00:42:44,540 --> 00:42:41,670
statements all these lies and the

900
00:42:46,580 --> 00:42:44,550
politicians the next hour will repeat

901
00:42:49,210 --> 00:42:46,590
the lies as if they were never refuted

902
00:42:52,910 --> 00:42:49,220
so it happens in all aspects of society

903
00:42:55,130 --> 00:42:52,920
not just the UFO field so sure we've

904
00:42:57,290 --> 00:42:55,140
exposed lots of things in the UFO field

905
00:43:01,190 --> 00:42:57,300
over the years back in the 50s

906
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:01,200
Jim Mosley had a special George Adamski

907
00:43:07,460 --> 00:43:03,930
expose issue George Adamski being one of

908
00:43:09,470 --> 00:43:07,470
the very earliest UFO contactees four

909
00:43:11,660 --> 00:43:09,480
years after that I don't think he's

910
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:11,670
mentioned much nowadays four years after

911
00:43:15,650 --> 00:43:14,370
that we had a damn skis followers even

912
00:43:19,130 --> 00:43:15,660
after his death

913
00:43:21,710 --> 00:43:19,140
swearing up and down that everything was

914
00:43:24,650 --> 00:43:21,720
true and they ignored the expose didn't

915
00:43:27,250 --> 00:43:24,660
exist out of sight out of mind well

916
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:27,260
that's that's a phenomenon that

917
00:43:35,110 --> 00:43:31,170
sometimes I think is uniquely unique in

918
00:43:37,630 --> 00:43:35,120
this field how many times have we

919
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:37,640
exposed somebody now one of the biggest

920
00:43:44,180 --> 00:43:41,370
expose is that I ever conducted and I

921
00:43:49,570 --> 00:43:44,190
conducted quite a few of them because at

922
00:43:52,310 --> 00:43:49,580
the time I naively believed that if

923
00:43:56,090 --> 00:43:52,320
enough people in the UFO field were

924
00:43:59,090 --> 00:43:56,100
willing to clean house that at some

925
00:44:01,240 --> 00:43:59,100
point the mainstream the mainstream news

926
00:44:04,670 --> 00:44:01,250
media the mainstream scientific

927
00:44:07,810 --> 00:44:04,680
establishment would begin to take us a

928
00:44:10,730 --> 00:44:07,820
little more seriously and I I did say I

929
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:10,740
naively believed that but one of the

930
00:44:18,770 --> 00:44:14,370
biggest and I mean for a while this

931
00:44:22,250 --> 00:44:18,780
particular expose spilled over not only

932
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:22,260
into UFO d'ambert also into the

933
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:24,810
political arena and of course I'm

934
00:44:31,340 --> 00:44:27,330
talking about Milton William Cooper aka

935
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:31,350
Bill Cooper and the driver shooting

936
00:44:38,930 --> 00:44:34,800
President John F Kennedy the video that

937
00:44:42,350 --> 00:44:38,940
was made now this today is not nearly as

938
00:44:45,470 --> 00:44:42,360
infamous as it was even a few short

939
00:44:48,020 --> 00:44:45,480
years ago but this was something that

940
00:44:56,270 --> 00:44:48,030
back in the day and I'm talking about

941
00:44:59,450 --> 00:44:56,280
circa 1991 92 93 literally had parts of

942
00:45:03,950 --> 00:44:59,460
not only the paranormal field on fire

943
00:45:07,370 --> 00:45:03,960
but also the JFK assassination field now

944
00:45:11,270 --> 00:45:07,380
this was a a video if you're not

945
00:45:15,070 --> 00:45:11,280
familiar with it that seemed to show for

946
00:45:18,590 --> 00:45:15,080
just a moment during the presidential

947
00:45:22,570 --> 00:45:18,600
limousine cavalcade that was that was

948
00:45:26,660 --> 00:45:22,580
driving through Dallas that the moment

949
00:45:29,210 --> 00:45:26,670
JFK is shot and it's pretty obvious to

950
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:29,220
me that at least one of the

951
00:45:35,240 --> 00:45:32,130
ohlet's came from the front and struck

952
00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:35,250
him in the head that it if for just a

953
00:45:43,130 --> 00:45:38,730
split second there is what appears to be

954
00:45:44,810 --> 00:45:43,140
a hand again that suddenly appears and

955
00:45:47,150 --> 00:45:44,820
then disappears

956
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:47,160
yeah but done that was a real low

957
00:45:52,130 --> 00:45:49,440
resolution kind of glint off the guy's

958
00:45:54,620 --> 00:45:52,140
semi-bald head wasn't it oh yeah yeah

959
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:54,630
that's exactly what it was that's

960
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:56,880
exactly what it was but we're not

961
00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:59,040
talking about what was really there

962
00:46:04,670 --> 00:46:01,680
we're talking about what these people

963
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:04,680
believed were there yeah Cooper just

964
00:46:08,420 --> 00:46:06,480
loved going out there and propounding

965
00:46:10,910 --> 00:46:08,430
this particular harebrained theory but

966
00:46:15,490 --> 00:46:10,920
oh yeah well not only did he love to

967
00:46:19,220 --> 00:46:15,500
propound it he started selling it now

968
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:19,230
this this is what a lot of people may

969
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:22,770
not be aware of this video was

970
00:46:30,170 --> 00:46:26,130
originally put together from a very poor

971
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:30,180
fourth or fifth generation copy of the

972
00:46:36,829 --> 00:46:33,359
Zapruder film by a guy that I know

973
00:46:40,190 --> 00:46:36,839
personally a fella by the name of Lars

974
00:46:42,670 --> 00:46:40,200
Hanson along with two other JFK

975
00:46:46,250 --> 00:46:42,680
researchers now one of these other

976
00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:46,260
researchers had been under the

977
00:46:51,890 --> 00:46:48,720
impression that somehow the Secret

978
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:51,900
Service driver and perhaps the guy the

979
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:53,490
other Secret Service guy in the front

980
00:47:00,260 --> 00:46:56,970
seat or somehow involved in this

981
00:47:03,829 --> 00:47:00,270
assassination and they did do a couple

982
00:47:07,220 --> 00:47:03,839
of things that were contrary to Secret

983
00:47:10,570 --> 00:47:07,230
Service protocol but what came out of

984
00:47:15,020 --> 00:47:10,580
this and what Hanson originally believed

985
00:47:17,930 --> 00:47:15,030
was that perhaps let's research this

986
00:47:20,990 --> 00:47:17,940
let's get some money and really dissect

987
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:21,000
this the driver may have fired the fatal

988
00:47:29,060 --> 00:47:24,690
head shot now this video originally was

989
00:47:33,380 --> 00:47:29,070
never meant to be seen publicly by

990
00:47:36,620 --> 00:47:33,390
anyone but Hanson screwed up and he

991
00:47:40,730 --> 00:47:36,630
screwed up in a big way he admitted he

992
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:40,740
screwed up in a big way he had met John

993
00:47:45,650 --> 00:47:42,330
Lear

994
00:47:49,300 --> 00:47:45,660
in Las Vegas at that time and he did not

995
00:47:52,610 --> 00:47:49,310
know that John Lear had been cut off

996
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:52,620
from his father's fortune

997
00:47:57,620 --> 00:47:56,370
William Lear of Lear Sigler corporation

998
00:48:00,700 --> 00:47:57,630
Learjet

999
00:48:03,470 --> 00:48:00,710
okay that's who John Lear father was

1000
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:03,480
didn't know that Lear had been cut out

1001
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:06,090
of the family fortune and he went to

1002
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:10,290
John Lear thinking that maybe Lear if

1003
00:48:15,050 --> 00:48:12,480
he's interested in this would help

1004
00:48:18,350 --> 00:48:15,060
finance their research

1005
00:48:19,970 --> 00:48:18,360
well what Lear did and is what we oh we

1006
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:19,980
all know these days

1007
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:24,090
John is beyond being a loose cannon he

1008
00:48:28,610 --> 00:48:26,370
took that tape as a matter of fact he

1009
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:28,620
showed it to me in November of 1988

1010
00:48:34,010 --> 00:48:31,650
before it was ever public he took that

1011
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:34,020
tape and he gave a copy of it to bill

1012
00:48:40,700 --> 00:48:38,130
Cooper when Cooper saw suddenly as he

1013
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:40,710
was want to do claimed he had seen all

1014
00:48:46,310 --> 00:48:42,810
this information about this in his

1015
00:48:48,290 --> 00:48:46,320
secret Navy files years before oh we

1016
00:48:51,980 --> 00:48:48,300
gotta watch out about the secret Navy

1017
00:48:55,490 --> 00:48:51,990
files exactly and this became part of

1018
00:48:59,390 --> 00:48:55,500
his overarching overwhelming conspiracy

1019
00:49:02,570 --> 00:48:59,400
story he then after he got a lot of

1020
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:02,580
grief from Hanson because Hanson had

1021
00:49:09,710 --> 00:49:06,330
narrated this day he sent the tape to an

1022
00:49:13,730 --> 00:49:09,720
outfit in Japan bill Cooper did and had

1023
00:49:16,460 --> 00:49:13,740
them recolor eyes the tape and removed

1024
00:49:19,340 --> 00:49:16,470
the narration got it back started

1025
00:49:22,270 --> 00:49:19,350
producing it and was selling it for 35

1026
00:49:25,220 --> 00:49:22,280
bucks a pop at every dog and pony show

1027
00:49:28,310 --> 00:49:25,230
Cooper was able to to worm his way into

1028
00:49:31,610 --> 00:49:28,320
and there are people today and I'm

1029
00:49:35,390 --> 00:49:31,620
talking about in 2013 that still

1030
00:49:39,020 --> 00:49:35,400
believed fervently that Bill Cooper was

1031
00:49:43,190 --> 00:49:39,030
the one guy leading the charge for the

1032
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:43,200
truth in not only paranormal and UFO

1033
00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:47,010
fields but also the militia movement oh

1034
00:49:52,940 --> 00:49:50,640
boy you know what this raises a larger

1035
00:49:55,460 --> 00:49:52,950
question it covers every aspect of our

1036
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:55,470
society and it's about respect for

1037
00:49:59,570 --> 00:49:57,210
respect for the truth and the reason I

1038
00:50:03,230 --> 00:49:59,580
mentioned the political world but

1039
00:50:05,630 --> 00:50:03,240
anywhere where you have a story that's a

1040
00:50:08,090 --> 00:50:05,640
really good story you expose it as

1041
00:50:09,350 --> 00:50:08,100
something false and no matter where it

1042
00:50:11,420 --> 00:50:09,360
is either

1043
00:50:13,010 --> 00:50:11,430
the next minute the next day or ten

1044
00:50:16,250 --> 00:50:13,020
years from now someone will resurrect

1045
00:50:18,740 --> 00:50:16,260
the very same story presented as

1046
00:50:22,010 --> 00:50:18,750
something new as something different as

1047
00:50:23,780 --> 00:50:22,020
something that was never exposed and

1048
00:50:24,530 --> 00:50:23,790
it's like you have to spend the rest of

1049
00:50:27,140 --> 00:50:24,540
your life

1050
00:50:29,780 --> 00:50:27,150
dispelling myths and we're in a field

1051
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:29,790
where a lot of people believe that UFOs

1052
00:50:33,890 --> 00:50:31,890
are a myth let's face it you know I

1053
00:50:37,100 --> 00:50:33,900
think the last survey that was conducted

1054
00:50:39,140 --> 00:50:37,110
ahead of this chasing UFOs failure of a

1055
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:39,150
show for the National Geographic

1056
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:42,210
there was a polling company that did a

1057
00:50:45,980 --> 00:50:44,010
survey showing that a third of the

1058
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:45,990
people in the US believed that UFOs were

1059
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:48,960
real probably spaceships meaning the two

1060
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:51,330
thirds either don't care or disbelieve

1061
00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:53,280
or whatever down from what it used to be

1062
00:50:59,090 --> 00:50:55,440
well genes just a few days ago a few

1063
00:51:01,790 --> 00:50:59,100
nights ago I had some spare time was in

1064
00:51:04,790 --> 00:51:01,800
the evening and I came out turned on the

1065
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:04,800
TV I was kind of surfing through to see

1066
00:51:11,930 --> 00:51:07,440
what was on and I saw what appeared to

1067
00:51:14,660 --> 00:51:11,940
be a scientific documentary on I think

1068
00:51:16,700 --> 00:51:14,670
it was I believe it was the Discovery

1069
00:51:19,130 --> 00:51:16,710
Channel I don't believe it was Nat Geo

1070
00:51:21,350 --> 00:51:19,140
I'm not sure I mean I could certainly

1071
00:51:24,020 --> 00:51:21,360
find out easy enough we'll have you tell

1072
00:51:26,270 --> 00:51:24,030
us the story of what you saw Donecker

1073
00:51:29,240 --> 00:51:26,280
catching up with the para cast with gene

1074
00:51:31,050 --> 00:51:29,250
and Chris because you are in the para

1075
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cast

1076
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1077
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1078
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and great talk radio starts here hi this

1079
00:51:53,870 --> 00:51:51,480
is Ted Anderson if you'd like to listen

1080
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standard of paranormal radio and now

1110
00:54:15,170 --> 00:54:12,390
here's Jane Steinberg catching up with

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00:54:18,410 --> 00:54:15,180
our friend Don Ecker of the ones and

1112
00:54:20,540 --> 00:54:18,420
only an original Dark Matters radio show

1113
00:54:22,670 --> 00:54:20,550
accept no substitutes with Gene and

1114
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:22,680
Chris in the para cast you're about to

1115
00:54:27,170 --> 00:54:24,090
tell a story you were watching one of

1116
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:27,180
those documentaries a reality shows I

1117
00:54:33,140 --> 00:54:30,330
guess on one of those channels and this

1118
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:33,150
show and I got to tell you when I first

1119
00:54:39,290 --> 00:54:35,850
turned it on I got a little excited

1120
00:54:42,830 --> 00:54:39,300
it was purportedly and a scientific

1121
00:54:45,830 --> 00:54:42,840
investigation into an incident that they

1122
00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:45,840
claimed happened off the coast of South

1123
00:54:55,820 --> 00:54:50,880
Africa where a fishing boat was attacked

1124
00:54:58,610 --> 00:54:55,830
by some sea predator and sunk and I'm

1125
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:58,620
thinking oh boy this looks exciting so I

1126
00:55:04,130 --> 00:55:00,480
I went ahead and I watched the whole

1127
00:55:09,410 --> 00:55:04,140
thing it was on Megalodon the

1128
00:55:13,550 --> 00:55:09,420
prehistoric shark still lives and it was

1129
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:13,560
about their search to find out if they

1130
00:55:22,670 --> 00:55:18,450
could in fact lure this seventy-five to

1131
00:55:26,180 --> 00:55:22,680
a hundred maybe 120 foot shark back up

1132
00:55:28,670 --> 00:55:26,190
if in fact it was down there and I

1133
00:55:32,140 --> 00:55:28,680
watched this whole damn show for two

1134
00:55:36,020 --> 00:55:32,150
hours the whole time thinking these guys

1135
00:55:38,180 --> 00:55:36,030
you know God they got to be they've got

1136
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:38,190
to be captain courageous and then some

1137
00:55:47,570 --> 00:55:42,930
if this is legit not a thing to suggest

1138
00:55:50,390 --> 00:55:47,580
it was not legitimate until it was

1139
00:55:52,820 --> 00:55:50,400
yesterday I saw a story I think it was

1140
00:55:55,820 --> 00:55:52,830
on Yahoo that there was a lot of outrage

1141
00:55:58,550 --> 00:55:55,830
about this show because it was the whole

1142
00:56:01,460 --> 00:55:58,560
thing was like hunting for a mermaid a

1143
00:56:03,950 --> 00:56:01,470
few months ago do you remember that just

1144
00:56:06,420 --> 00:56:03,960
very dimly so well the bottom line is

1145
00:56:11,010 --> 00:56:06,430
you know we're being fed

1146
00:56:15,210 --> 00:56:11,020
crap from all corners and you can't even

1147
00:56:17,819 --> 00:56:15,220
today believe anything that's in the

1148
00:56:21,210 --> 00:56:17,829
news are these like this documentary

1149
00:56:26,370 --> 00:56:21,220
there's an excellent possibility that

1150
00:56:30,329 --> 00:56:26,380
some scumbag producer an outfit is just

1151
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:30,339
Octavia bamboozle yeah you know never

1152
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:32,290
done alternative three back in the

1153
00:56:37,589 --> 00:56:35,290
seventies which incidentally bill Cooper

1154
00:56:42,140 --> 00:56:37,599
for a long time was telling everybody

1155
00:56:45,930 --> 00:56:42,150
was the real deal yeah sure I do

1156
00:56:48,180 --> 00:56:45,940
absolutely so you know this this just

1157
00:56:50,339 --> 00:56:48,190
this kind of stuff I don't know maybe

1158
00:56:54,150 --> 00:56:50,349
it's because I'm getting getting older

1159
00:56:57,150 --> 00:56:54,160
and I have less less patience but you

1160
00:57:01,559 --> 00:56:57,160
know it just it irritates me to no end

1161
00:57:04,260 --> 00:57:01,569
as I said you can't keep a good frog

1162
00:57:07,020 --> 00:57:04,270
down you wonder what about getting the

1163
00:57:10,650 --> 00:57:07,030
legitimate information out there if you

1164
00:57:14,660 --> 00:57:10,660
have to keep fighting this well there's

1165
00:57:17,730 --> 00:57:14,670
there's really I mean you can only do

1166
00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:17,740
what you can do I don't have a

1167
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:22,089
television production company I can't go

1168
00:57:29,970 --> 00:57:27,010
on TV I can't you know unless I'm

1169
00:57:33,450 --> 00:57:29,980
invited I've got a radio show just like

1170
00:57:36,420 --> 00:57:33,460
you guys have a radio show and I do what

1171
00:57:40,020 --> 00:57:36,430
I can with in that venue and then it's

1172
00:57:43,020 --> 00:57:40,030
up to the audience whether they accept

1173
00:57:48,059 --> 00:57:43,030
what I'm presenting or not but I will

1174
00:57:50,700 --> 00:57:48,069
not and never have I ever presented

1175
00:57:52,020 --> 00:57:50,710
something I knew to be absolutely

1176
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:52,030
balderdash

1177
00:57:58,380 --> 00:57:54,730
I just won't do it I could have done it

1178
00:58:00,809 --> 00:57:58,390
and I've been approached to do it but I

1179
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:00,819
there's something in me that just will

1180
00:58:05,210 --> 00:58:03,130
not allow that to happen yeah well I

1181
00:58:07,500 --> 00:58:05,220
wish wish everybody felt that way I

1182
00:58:09,510 --> 00:58:07,510
totally agree with you Don I've turned

1183
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:09,520
down I don't know how many opportunities

1184
00:58:15,780 --> 00:58:13,210
to get even more or I guess we'll be

1185
00:58:19,050 --> 00:58:15,790
horrible war Holly and Fame for lack of

1186
00:58:22,950 --> 00:58:19,060
a better term and again if the intention

1187
00:58:25,290 --> 00:58:22,960
is not i think up up on the level if the

1188
00:58:26,700 --> 00:58:25,300
motives aren't pure people shouldn't do

1189
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:26,710
things if there's any question in your

1190
00:58:30,420 --> 00:58:28,330
mind yeah I mean you need to ask

1191
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:30,430
questions when when these production

1192
00:58:36,030 --> 00:58:33,010
companies come knocking on your door you

1193
00:58:37,290 --> 00:58:36,040
need to find out ascertain if they're a

1194
00:58:40,020 --> 00:58:37,300
part of the problem or part of the

1195
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:40,030
solution and I think more and more we're

1196
00:58:44,220 --> 00:58:42,490
seeing you know there's such a glut of

1197
00:58:45,270 --> 00:58:44,230
this type of programming now I think

1198
00:58:47,580 --> 00:58:45,280
people are getting more and more

1199
00:58:50,010 --> 00:58:47,590
outlandish with their ideas and it's you

1200
00:58:51,660 --> 00:58:50,020
know like chasing the werewolves that's

1201
00:58:55,620 --> 00:58:51,670
gonna be a real good one I can't wait to

1202
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:55,630
see that it just you know Hollywood is

1203
00:59:00,960 --> 00:58:57,370
looking to fill the spaces between

1204
00:59:04,110 --> 00:59:00,970
commercials and people have to remember

1205
00:59:08,130 --> 00:59:04,120
that absolutely now I'll give you

1206
00:59:11,610 --> 00:59:08,140
another example of a guy that I tried to

1207
00:59:16,190 --> 00:59:11,620
bring on DMR on dark matters radio

1208
00:59:20,910 --> 00:59:16,200
there's a apparently a fairly well-known

1209
00:59:24,690 --> 00:59:20,920
website site out there called veterans

1210
00:59:26,550 --> 00:59:24,700
today well Gordon Duff the senior editor

1211
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:26,560
is a guy by the name of Gordon death now

1212
00:59:35,970 --> 00:59:32,250
they had along with a long litany of

1213
00:59:37,710 --> 00:59:35,980
anti-semitic stories that they've run I

1214
00:59:42,890 --> 00:59:37,720
guess since they've been up there

1215
00:59:46,470 --> 00:59:42,900
primarily anti Israel Israel stories

1216
00:59:52,170 --> 00:59:46,480
every once in a while this guy will toss

1217
00:59:55,010 --> 00:59:52,180
in a real UFO potboiler zinger and a few

1218
01:00:00,090 --> 00:59:55,020
months ago and I wrote them a very

1219
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:00,100
polite very nice letter and I explained

1220
01:00:08,070 --> 01:00:02,130
to them who I was and I would like to

1221
01:00:10,500 --> 01:00:08,080
interview mr. death and I waited for a

1222
01:00:12,930 --> 01:00:10,510
while and I followed followed that

1223
01:00:15,420 --> 01:00:12,940
letter up with another letter and never

1224
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:15,430
heard from them well the other day about

1225
01:00:23,490 --> 01:00:19,530
not quite a week still a buddy of mine

1226
01:00:26,940 --> 01:00:23,500
sent me a link to a news story that was

1227
01:00:30,380 --> 01:00:26,950
being featured up on their site so I

1228
01:00:34,250 --> 01:00:30,390
went to it and I read it

1229
01:00:38,930 --> 01:00:34,260
and the the title of the story was

1230
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:38,940
Chinese alignment with hostile hostile

1231
01:00:48,980 --> 01:00:44,810
alien force brings a pacific war threat

1232
01:00:52,550 --> 01:00:48,990
and you know and suddenly it became

1233
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:52,560
crystal clear to me why these guys never

1234
01:00:58,190 --> 01:00:55,770
got back in touch with me because let me

1235
01:01:01,520 --> 01:00:58,200
tell you what if I could have gotten one

1236
01:01:03,350 --> 01:01:01,530
of their representatives on a story like

1237
01:01:07,970 --> 01:01:03,360
that I would chew on it like a

1238
01:01:11,180 --> 01:01:07,980
Rottweiler on a t-bone steak and you

1239
01:01:13,250 --> 01:01:11,190
know of course they can throw any kind

1240
01:01:15,890 --> 01:01:13,260
of crap out there with impunity because

1241
01:01:18,410 --> 01:01:15,900
they basically have nobody they have to

1242
01:01:21,380 --> 01:01:18,420
answer to and if anybody does approach

1243
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:21,390
them they just don't acknowledge it so

1244
01:01:29,750 --> 01:01:23,370
that's what you're dealing with in

1245
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:29,760
today's 21st century life yeah and to

1246
01:01:34,670 --> 01:01:32,250
have a website that that pretends to

1247
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:34,680
have the gravitas that veterans today

1248
01:01:41,060 --> 01:01:38,610
does I find it you know to be a young

1249
01:01:42,860 --> 01:01:41,070
kid growing up now getting all your news

1250
01:01:46,010 --> 01:01:42,870
from the Internet it's very difficult

1251
01:01:49,100 --> 01:01:46,020
for them to differentiate between what's

1252
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:49,110
real what may be real and what is just

1253
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:52,890
pure BS and unfortunately it's getting

1254
01:01:58,150 --> 01:01:55,890
the the line between those three areas

1255
01:02:00,770 --> 01:01:58,160
are it's getting more and more blurred

1256
01:02:02,750 --> 01:02:00,780
and to be a kid trying to you know

1257
01:02:05,030 --> 01:02:02,760
separate the signal from the noise like

1258
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:05,040
we attempt to do here on the para cast

1259
01:02:10,150 --> 01:02:06,690
and you do on your show dark matters

1260
01:02:12,970 --> 01:02:10,160
it's it's getting really difficult and

1261
01:02:16,220 --> 01:02:12,980
unfortunately these people are operating

1262
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:16,230
with impunity and if they won't they

1263
01:02:19,790 --> 01:02:18,450
won't stand behind what they say and and

1264
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:19,800
get a chance to be you know

1265
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:22,410
journalistically challenged about this

1266
01:02:29,230 --> 01:02:24,810
stuff I mean what recourse do we have

1267
01:02:34,810 --> 01:02:29,240
well today there there is about zero

1268
01:02:38,510 --> 01:02:34,820
places to go to get viable news from

1269
01:02:40,450 --> 01:02:38,520
maybe a couple of places to get a hint

1270
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:40,460
of what's going on but if you want the

1271
01:02:48,099 --> 01:02:44,810
ille news I you know what I do i go to

1272
01:02:52,329 --> 01:02:48,109
European newspapers and and of course

1273
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:52,339
you know probably 75 80 % of that you

1274
01:02:59,140 --> 01:02:55,010
know I think is probably propaganda but

1275
01:03:01,300 --> 01:02:59,150
at least they will hit on subjects that

1276
01:03:04,089 --> 01:03:01,310
here in the States these days are

1277
01:03:06,099 --> 01:03:04,099
basically persona non-grata you know

1278
01:03:07,660 --> 01:03:06,109
that raises a bigger issue here which is

1279
01:03:11,050 --> 01:03:07,670
one way you can find a really

1280
01:03:13,030 --> 01:03:11,060
interesting variation or viewpoint how

1281
01:03:16,870 --> 01:03:13,040
things happen in the United States is

1282
01:03:18,849 --> 01:03:16,880
for example to check the BBC see how

1283
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:18,859
they view us in the UK and how they view

1284
01:03:24,250 --> 01:03:21,290
us in Europe but any english-language

1285
01:03:27,430 --> 01:03:24,260
news site overseas you'll find you

1286
01:03:29,650 --> 01:03:27,440
almost live in a different an alien

1287
01:03:33,430 --> 01:03:29,660
world might presume that's the same

1288
01:03:35,230 --> 01:03:33,440
thing with the way we react to them it

1289
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:35,240
really is kind of strange kind of

1290
01:03:40,690 --> 01:03:37,130
unusual we're playing catch-up here

1291
01:03:46,950 --> 01:03:40,700
we've got Don Ecker joining us with Jean

1292
01:03:50,870 --> 01:03:48,400
[Music]

1293
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attack of the rock ODEs has been

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well-received by critics and readers

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01:03:57,410 --> 01:03:54,570
alike it's a thrill a minute story

1296
01:03:59,750 --> 01:03:57,420
you'll never forget a former US military

1297
01:04:02,030 --> 01:03:59,760
intelligence officer is haunted by

1298
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intense dreams about a beautiful woman

1299
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pleading for his help after a terrible

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battle in outer space but the dreams

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01:04:11,510 --> 01:04:09,540
turn out to be true and thrust him into

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a telepathic love affair with a woman

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you maybe shouldn't have a logo drawn up

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and maybe they'll have an answer I don't

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want to go back into that again we're

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talking here about truth justice and the

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American Way and also about how the

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United States is perceived overseas and

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why maybe to get a better picture of

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what's going on in this world we should

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be looking at new sources not just here

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but elsewhere because you know in the

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United States one of the problems with

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news especially broadcast news is that

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one day the programming chief's on the

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radio and TV stations and the cable

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stations realized that you can make

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money from news it used to be in the

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public interest but then you make money

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from it so if you make money from it

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you are may be tempted to color the

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information to present your corporate

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point of view your personal point of

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view or just do something that makes a

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living so look at those pathetic for

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01:09:21,130 --> 01:09:19,910
example reality shows about UFOs and we

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01:09:23,980 --> 01:09:21,140
mentioned of course one of the worst

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01:09:27,190 --> 01:09:23,990
offenders chasing UFOs where two of the

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01:09:31,870 --> 01:09:27,200
co-hosts disavowed the show ain't it

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awful done well that brings a thought up

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01:09:40,300 --> 01:09:37,700
to me you know back in 1992 and you know

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01:09:42,579 --> 01:09:40,310
I've mentioned this a number of times on

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01:09:47,170 --> 01:09:42,589
the para cast the story that I broke

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01:09:52,020 --> 01:09:47,180
first actually on NBC on hard copy and

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01:09:56,740 --> 01:09:52,030
then on Larry King Live with CNN was the

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01:10:01,240 --> 01:09:56,750
sts-48 shuttle story now the night that

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01:10:05,710 --> 01:10:01,250
I was down at CNN I met and had a brief

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01:10:08,740 --> 01:10:05,720
chat with a guy that that was then and

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still today although he no longer is

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with CNN

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a very well-known national and

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01:10:18,610 --> 01:10:16,730
international reporter and we had a we

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01:10:22,180 --> 01:10:18,620
had a pleasant little chat when we were

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01:10:25,150 --> 01:10:22,190
talking about this story the shuttle

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01:10:28,300 --> 01:10:25,160
video story I asked him I said well

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01:10:31,750 --> 01:10:28,310
where do you come down on this stuff do

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you think that there's anything to this

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01:10:36,490 --> 01:10:34,850
and of course this was off the record

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01:10:38,950 --> 01:10:36,500
but the guy said oh yeah

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01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:38,960
he said he said I know that there's

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01:10:44,590 --> 01:10:42,290
something to this he said and I don't

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01:10:47,590 --> 01:10:44,600
remember exactly how he explained it to

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01:10:51,730 --> 01:10:47,600
me but he had a couple of people come to

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01:10:53,890 --> 01:10:51,740
him with a couple of incidents that they

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themselves witnessed people that he knew

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01:11:01,660 --> 01:10:57,980
very well people that he trusted very

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01:11:03,010 --> 01:11:01,670
deeply they were just simply amazed and

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01:11:06,580 --> 01:11:03,020
they didn't know what to make out of it

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01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:06,590
and he told me he said look he said yeah

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01:11:14,380 --> 01:11:10,610
he said there is probably something very

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profound here so then I once again boy

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01:11:20,230 --> 01:11:17,090
and I was a naive back in those days I

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01:11:21,850 --> 01:11:20,240
said well if you as far as you're

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01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:21,860
concerned know that there's something to

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01:11:29,110 --> 01:11:26,090
this then why don't you do a story on it

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01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:29,120
and the guy kind of looked at me and he

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said he said what do you got against me

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and I so what do you mean he said if I

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tried to do something like that they'd

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fire me oh okay

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01:11:47,020 --> 01:11:44,270
so there you go now why now that you

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01:11:51,340 --> 01:11:47,030
think about the implications of what

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01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:51,350
that guy told me why would he be fearful

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of getting fired for simply doing what

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they pay him to do which is research a

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01:12:08,170 --> 01:12:04,940
news story why well the bottom line is

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that and and I've maintained this for

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01:12:13,180 --> 01:12:10,370
years whatever it is about that

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01:12:15,310 --> 01:12:13,190
phenomenon unidentified flying objects

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01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:15,320
I didn't say spaceships I said

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unidentified flying objects whatever it

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01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:22,500
is about that it's poison and it's so

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01:12:29,060 --> 01:12:25,530
side pill for anybody in the mainstream

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01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:29,070
to approach it except if you have your

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tongue planted firmly in cheek

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01:12:35,870 --> 01:12:33,750
good point done it just shows you how

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01:12:37,790 --> 01:12:35,880
the lines are being blurred and and like

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01:12:40,490 --> 01:12:37,800
I said man these young kids they don't

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01:12:43,310 --> 01:12:40,500
know the difference between you know

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01:12:45,830 --> 01:12:43,320
what is real and what is fabrication or

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01:12:49,250 --> 01:12:45,840
what is some sort of you know just

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01:12:51,440 --> 01:12:49,260
totally out of control spin and it's

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01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:51,450
just it makes it more and more difficult

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01:12:58,130 --> 01:12:54,890
for real hard knuckle journalism to be

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01:12:59,990 --> 01:12:58,140
to be utilized here in the 21st century

1489
01:13:03,140 --> 01:13:00,000
it's getting worse and worse

1490
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:03,150
well sure look at what new stories are

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01:13:10,700 --> 01:13:07,530
featured today and I mean just looking

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01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:10,710
just go up to Yahoo and just see what

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01:13:16,190 --> 01:13:12,930
what they have on their front page on

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Yahoo and I mean and as a matter of fact

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01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:19,860
I was laughing my tail and off this

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01:13:25,340 --> 01:13:23,370
morning when Vicky came out this morning

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and was getting getting a cup of coffee

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and I was just sitting there shaking my

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head and she said what's wrong and I

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said you're not gonna believe this

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01:13:41,510 --> 01:13:38,010
and I showed her they had a front page

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01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:41,520
news story on the correct way to roll up

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01:13:46,700 --> 01:13:44,010
your pant legs and they had this guy

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apparently sitting out in some grassy

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field with his leg crossed over his

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01:13:57,710 --> 01:13:53,540
other leg with his jeans rolled up now

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01:14:00,890 --> 01:13:57,720
when you have the economic problems that

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01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:00,900
we have today for example you still have

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01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:04,410
US embassies across the entire Middle

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01:14:11,180 --> 01:14:07,410
East shut down because of a fear of

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01:14:13,610 --> 01:14:11,190
terrorist attacks and you have all these

1512
01:14:16,460 --> 01:14:13,620
other big stories that are swirling

1513
01:14:18,830 --> 01:14:16,470
about the periphery and you you get a

1514
01:14:21,650 --> 01:14:18,840
news story like how to roll up your damn

1515
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:21,660
pants I mean that should tell you

1516
01:14:27,290 --> 01:14:25,050
something right there yeah well maybe

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01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:27,300
they should use kerosene so the ants

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01:14:35,580 --> 01:14:29,730
don't go up the pant leg and bite their

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01:14:41,190 --> 01:14:39,120
oh well so what can I say folks is sir

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01:14:43,290 --> 01:14:41,200
sorry about that Jean I I couldn't

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01:14:45,420 --> 01:14:43,300
resist well I know you're ornery again

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01:14:48,620 --> 01:14:45,430
then somebody's going to take anything

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01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:48,630
you say and engaged what we call the one

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01:14:54,060 --> 01:14:51,850
sentence freak out you're gonna go crazy

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01:14:57,900 --> 01:14:54,070
I mean the one example of that just to

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01:14:58,860 --> 01:14:57,910
be parenthetical about it so what was it

1527
01:15:01,440 --> 01:14:58,870
a few weeks ago

1528
01:15:03,900 --> 01:15:01,450
Chris you send me a link to an article

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01:15:07,070 --> 01:15:03,910
online where someone makes an

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interesting suggestion that Roswell an

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01:15:11,850 --> 01:15:10,750
Aztec are all based in the same case you

1532
01:15:15,540 --> 01:15:11,860
made a little mistake

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01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:15,550
you gave the wrong author's name because

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01:15:19,440 --> 01:15:17,650
the author happens to participate in

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01:15:20,790 --> 01:15:19,450
this particular site we want to mention

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01:15:24,810 --> 01:15:20,800
his name because they've already started

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01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:24,820
to freak out on this so I was notified

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01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:27,130
of this we corrected the error a week or

1539
01:15:32,850 --> 01:15:29,650
two later say okay well it wasn't clear

1540
01:15:34,170 --> 01:15:32,860
on the site who wrote what and now

1541
01:15:37,770 --> 01:15:34,180
they're still freaking out over that

1542
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:37,780
there's one guy who actually used to be

1543
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:40,570
on the power cast fairly regularly he's

1544
01:15:47,310 --> 01:15:43,210
complaining because you and I didn't

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01:15:50,910 --> 01:15:47,320
grovel and min our great fault in daring

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01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:50,920
to name the wrong author of an article

1547
01:15:56,460 --> 01:15:53,730
that had a very reasonable suggestion

1548
01:15:58,470 --> 01:15:56,470
well again you really have to be

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01:16:00,270 --> 01:15:58,480
declarative and stand behind your work

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01:16:03,540 --> 01:16:00,280
don't don't leave any room for

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01:16:06,150 --> 01:16:03,550
misinterpretation that's I think kind of

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01:16:09,570 --> 01:16:06,160
the rule of journalism I you know it's

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01:16:12,590 --> 01:16:09,580
unfortunate that web sites sometimes

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01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:12,600
take this this weird prerogative

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01:16:17,310 --> 01:16:15,850
editorial like an editorial prerogative

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01:16:18,690 --> 01:16:17,320
and they go ahead and post stuff and

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01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:18,700
then they don't really let you know who

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01:16:24,480 --> 01:16:21,570
was actually behind behind the posting

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01:16:26,790 --> 01:16:24,490
we'll get into more of some of these

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problems in a moment we have Don Ecker

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about the Berkey guy so you may know a

1614
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few things about him for example you are

1615
01:19:01,530 --> 01:18:59,559
well aware of the superior quality and

1616
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effectiveness of berkey water filters

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and accessories but did you know the BIR

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to prove just how effective they are

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it's true and he can email you the test

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results just visit go Berkey dot-com you

1622
01:19:17,459 --> 01:19:15,460
may also know that the Berkey guide has

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helped tens of thousands of people get

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better prepared now here's something you

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01:19:24,450 --> 01:19:21,790
may not know go Berkey dot-com has

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01:19:36,540 --> 01:19:34,000
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comm home of the Berkey guy join us in

1637
01:19:55,350 --> 01:19:52,750
Joshua Tree California August 9 through

1638
01:19:57,419 --> 01:19:55,360
11 for the contact in the desert UFO

1639
01:20:00,010 --> 01:19:57,429
conference a weekend of in-depth

1640
01:20:03,100 --> 01:20:00,020
exploration into ancient alien human

1641
01:20:04,930 --> 01:20:03,110
origins crop circles UFO sightings new

1642
01:20:06,910 --> 01:20:04,940
evidence of ongoing contact the

1643
01:20:09,610 --> 01:20:06,920
conference will feature films panels

1644
01:20:11,740 --> 01:20:09,620
lectures workshops and field work with

1645
01:20:13,270 --> 01:20:11,750
leading experts including Steven Greer

1646
01:20:15,700 --> 01:20:13,280
Giorgio tsoukalos

1647
01:20:17,740 --> 01:20:15,710
Graham Hancock jimin's Michael tell

1648
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:17,750
Angie Laurel Eisenhower Jason Martel

1649
01:20:22,810 --> 01:20:20,570
David Wilcock ja wohl David Sarita and

1650
01:20:24,790 --> 01:20:22,820
many many more of the biggest names in

1651
01:20:26,860 --> 01:20:24,800
UF ology the conference will coincide

1652
01:20:28,900 --> 01:20:26,870
with the Perseid meteor shower and the

1653
01:20:30,550 --> 01:20:28,910
Joshua tree retreat center offers the

1654
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:30,560
perfect place for sightings through the

1655
01:20:35,260 --> 01:20:32,690
clear desert sky either to win a free

1656
01:20:37,060 --> 01:20:35,270
ticket at contact in the desert calm we

1657
01:20:39,130 --> 01:20:37,070
look forward to seeing you in Joshua

1658
01:20:41,410 --> 01:20:39,140
Tree in August for a serious look at

1659
01:20:43,690 --> 01:20:41,420
mounting evidence that we are not alone

1660
01:20:46,060 --> 01:20:43,700
for more information go to contact in

1661
01:20:54,190 --> 01:20:46,070
the desert calm for call seven six oh

1662
01:20:56,530 --> 01:20:54,200
three six five eight three seven one hi

1663
01:20:59,950 --> 01:20:56,540
this is nuclear physicist lecturers and

1664
01:21:03,460 --> 01:20:59,960
Friedman you are listening to the Peres

1665
01:21:11,470 --> 01:21:03,470
case the gold standard a paranormal

1666
01:21:13,180 --> 01:21:11,480
radio some of the issues there Chris

1667
01:21:14,830 --> 01:21:13,190
O'Brien and by the way we have Don Ecker

1668
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:14,840
with us this week one of the issues here

1669
01:21:19,060 --> 01:21:16,090
is that some of these sites and blogs

1670
01:21:22,450 --> 01:21:19,070
they don't have real contact information

1671
01:21:25,990 --> 01:21:22,460
like you know if you go to our strange

1672
01:21:28,060 --> 01:21:26,000
planet calm that's Chris's blog and you

1673
01:21:29,830 --> 01:21:28,070
select contact Chris there's a contact

1674
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:29,840
form there in fact I helped him set it

1675
01:21:34,270 --> 01:21:31,970
up I know is there and you can send him

1676
01:21:37,090 --> 01:21:34,280
a letter you can also post comments to

1677
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:37,100
his articles if you go to the para cast

1678
01:21:42,580 --> 01:21:39,530
comm you go to our forum at forum dr.

1679
01:21:44,950 --> 01:21:42,590
Peric ascom there's a way to contact us

1680
01:21:46,480 --> 01:21:44,960
our names are there we're not hiding

1681
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:46,490
anything I understand sometimes people

1682
01:21:50,620 --> 01:21:48,650
want to remain anonymous because they

1683
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:50,630
may be issues with their work or

1684
01:21:54,970 --> 01:21:51,290
elsewhere

1685
01:21:56,950 --> 01:21:54,980
where they don't want people to be aware

1686
01:21:59,080 --> 01:21:56,960
of who and what they are that's okay we

1687
01:22:03,160 --> 01:21:59,090
respect there's a term for that gene

1688
01:22:05,470 --> 01:22:03,170
it's called chicken chicken manure yes

1689
01:22:07,390 --> 01:22:05,480
we understand that in fact I have to

1690
01:22:09,670 --> 01:22:07,400
remember to play the chicken sound

1691
01:22:11,710 --> 01:22:09,680
that's the sound we play every time we

1692
01:22:13,930 --> 01:22:11,720
mentioned the name of a guest who won't

1693
01:22:19,450 --> 01:22:13,940
appear on the show like we want to add

1694
01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:19,460
to Whitley Strieber for example and by

1695
01:22:24,460 --> 01:22:21,650
the way the person who you mistakenly

1696
01:22:26,410 --> 01:22:24,470
credited Chris with writing that article

1697
01:22:28,210 --> 01:22:26,420
about Aztec and Roswell

1698
01:22:29,710 --> 01:22:28,220
he won't come on the power cast and

1699
01:22:32,980 --> 01:22:29,720
defend himself about anything

1700
01:22:35,050 --> 01:22:32,990
well the invitations always out there so

1701
01:22:37,540 --> 01:22:35,060
whenever you want to come on Tony let us

1702
01:22:40,630 --> 01:22:37,550
know now this could be another freak out

1703
01:22:42,670 --> 01:22:40,640
by the way because we didn't spend one

1704
01:22:45,730 --> 01:22:42,680
sentence discussing this we spent what a

1705
01:22:46,270 --> 01:22:45,740
few paragraphs so was yeah we're in

1706
01:22:50,410 --> 01:22:46,280
trouble now

1707
01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:50,420
Oh for heaven's sake a lot of things I'd

1708
01:22:56,860 --> 01:22:52,370
like to talk to him about but moving

1709
01:23:01,090 --> 01:22:56,870
right along you know incidentally I can

1710
01:23:04,440 --> 01:23:01,100
say that on on DMR gene that's right by

1711
01:23:07,330 --> 01:23:04,450
the way this Dark Matters radio is

1712
01:23:10,540 --> 01:23:07,340
uncensored I don't know about the other

1713
01:23:14,290 --> 01:23:10,550
one the imitation too but the other one

1714
01:23:17,500 --> 01:23:14,300
you've got to pay for okay I've got

1715
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:17,510
years and years of shows that you can

1716
01:23:24,610 --> 01:23:22,970
just go in download listen to but you

1717
01:23:28,210 --> 01:23:24,620
know the other one unless you're a

1718
01:23:32,590 --> 01:23:28,220
member and have a subscription to the

1719
01:23:35,620 --> 01:23:32,600
Sirius radio network and XM you can't

1720
01:23:37,270 --> 01:23:35,630
hear it so there it is that's it so you

1721
01:23:39,550 --> 01:23:37,280
have to be a subscriber to satellite

1722
01:23:41,170 --> 01:23:39,560
radio which limits where in the world

1723
01:23:42,970 --> 01:23:41,180
you can hear this show unless is an

1724
01:23:45,460 --> 01:23:42,980
online version yeah you know the other

1725
01:23:49,330 --> 01:23:45,470
night now this this is just as an aside

1726
01:23:53,260 --> 01:23:49,340
but the other night I had a best of show

1727
01:23:57,730 --> 01:23:53,270
running and yeah I guess it was about 10

1728
01:23:59,320 --> 01:23:57,740
15 10 20 I was locking up the house and

1729
01:23:59,830 --> 01:23:59,330
getting the copy ready for the next

1730
01:24:02,230 --> 01:23:59,840
morning

1731
01:24:05,890 --> 01:24:02,240
and just on a whim I thought you know

1732
01:24:08,170 --> 01:24:05,900
what I've got a smartphone here oh my

1733
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:08,180
god I want to see if I can tune in live

1734
01:24:15,490 --> 01:24:11,330
or you know relatively speaking live to

1735
01:24:17,170 --> 01:24:15,500
DMR and before I know it boom it was

1736
01:24:20,170 --> 01:24:17,180
booming out of my headset on my

1737
01:24:21,910 --> 01:24:20,180
smartphone so you know I just I don't

1738
01:24:24,370 --> 01:24:21,920
know why I just thought that was pretty

1739
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:24,380
damn cool well you know that's not

1740
01:24:26,780 --> 01:24:26,210
unusual to have various types of

1741
01:24:28,940 --> 01:24:26,790
internet

1742
01:24:30,260 --> 01:24:28,950
we're heard on a number of networks such

1743
01:24:32,990 --> 01:24:30,270
as stitcher where you download the app

1744
01:24:35,150 --> 01:24:33,000
and you can play it and GCN has apps for

1745
01:24:37,370 --> 01:24:35,160
the tech nighthound live and the power

1746
01:24:38,330 --> 01:24:37,380
cats and this is the way things work so

1747
01:24:41,060 --> 01:24:38,340
you wonder here

1748
01:24:42,740 --> 01:24:41,070
how much business there is for satellite

1749
01:24:44,900 --> 01:24:42,750
radio although they're doing fairly well

1750
01:24:47,030 --> 01:24:44,910
I think they have like 19 or 20 million

1751
01:24:48,980 --> 01:24:47,040
people but a lot of the subscribers are

1752
01:24:52,490 --> 01:24:48,990
free for a while like for example you

1753
01:24:54,650 --> 01:24:52,500
buy a new car so for the first three

1754
01:24:57,980 --> 01:24:54,660
months six months or a year you get

1755
01:24:59,900 --> 01:24:57,990
Sirius XM free and then after that who

1756
01:25:01,160 --> 01:24:59,910
can afford to buy a new current well

1757
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:01,170
there you go

1758
01:25:05,930 --> 01:25:03,810
I can't well obviously they're selling

1759
01:25:09,470 --> 01:25:05,940
like 15 million cars a year in the US

1760
01:25:14,350 --> 01:25:09,480
now so do you know what I'm driving no I

1761
01:25:18,260 --> 01:25:14,360
don't I am driving a 20 year old Jeep

1762
01:25:21,230 --> 01:25:18,270
Cherokee that has a hundred and eighty

1763
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:21,240
eight thousand miles on it you know it's

1764
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:24,330
just breaking in 188,000 I mean still

1765
01:25:29,750 --> 01:25:27,170
usable long they've got Honda's now

1766
01:25:32,180 --> 01:25:29,760
where they have a million miles on them

1767
01:25:33,890 --> 01:25:32,190
and they keep going so if some of these

1768
01:25:36,140 --> 01:25:33,900
cars just last forever it's not like the

1769
01:25:38,210 --> 01:25:36,150
old days I remember in the old days more

1770
01:25:41,750 --> 01:25:38,220
years ago that I can count where I had a

1771
01:25:44,180 --> 01:25:41,760
Toyota and that Toyota 6070 thousand

1772
01:25:46,450 --> 01:25:44,190
miles you needed engine work an original

1773
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:46,460
Mazda with the rotary vane Kalenjin

1774
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:49,530
mmm-hmm 60 70 thousand miles

1775
01:25:54,620 --> 01:25:52,290
you needed engine work let's move to

1776
01:26:01,010 --> 01:25:54,630
another subject here okay

1777
01:26:04,700 --> 01:26:01,020
and this is MUFON la splits off from the

1778
01:26:06,110 --> 01:26:04,710
national organization now we understand

1779
01:26:08,780 --> 01:26:06,120
that if we go back through history that

1780
01:26:11,540 --> 01:26:08,790
MUFON itself was basically started as

1781
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:11,550
part of a Pro and then they became an

1782
01:26:15,350 --> 01:26:13,410
independent organization so this sort of

1783
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:15,360
thing happens let's let's tell it the

1784
01:26:22,910 --> 01:26:19,290
way it really happened okay Andres stole

1785
01:26:29,060 --> 01:26:22,920
a bunch of files from Jim Carl Lorenzen

1786
01:26:33,530 --> 01:26:29,070
and started MUFON and until the day they

1787
01:26:36,910 --> 01:26:33,540
call Lorenz and died Carl would not have

1788
01:26:39,899 --> 01:26:36,920
urinated on Walt if he self combusted

1789
01:26:43,290 --> 01:26:39,909
we've heard that joke recycled by the

1790
01:26:47,729 --> 01:26:43,300
a Carla Manson hated me you know that

1791
01:26:49,770 --> 01:26:47,739
she absolutely hated me and I met her

1792
01:26:51,959 --> 01:26:49,780
once or twice at a UFO convention and

1793
01:26:54,089 --> 01:26:51,969
maybe the 70s or 80s whatever

1794
01:26:57,209 --> 01:26:54,099
Jim Lorenzen was a sweetheart really

1795
01:27:01,259 --> 01:26:57,219
nice guy Cora Lorenzen was a crusty

1796
01:27:04,290 --> 01:27:01,269
woman who hated me for some reason never

1797
01:27:07,830 --> 01:27:04,300
found out why I kind of know and what

1798
01:27:10,739 --> 01:27:07,840
happened is as a teenager I accidentally

1799
01:27:13,979 --> 01:27:10,749
in a tiny magazine with maybe a hundred

1800
01:27:18,299 --> 01:27:13,989
circulation reprinted a photo from fate

1801
01:27:21,449 --> 01:27:18,309
magazine and that photo of Lonnie Zamora

1802
01:27:24,989 --> 01:27:21,459
of the Saqqara New Mexico sighting was

1803
01:27:28,379 --> 01:27:24,999
apparently originally taken by Jim and

1804
01:27:30,390 --> 01:27:28,389
Cora Lorenzen and therefore they claim

1805
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:30,400
to ownership of the photo although I

1806
01:27:35,089 --> 01:27:33,610
claim fair use and they said send me a

1807
01:27:37,199 --> 01:27:35,099
hundred dollars I said are you kidding

1808
01:27:39,870 --> 01:27:37,209
and you've got to be kidding

1809
01:27:42,209 --> 01:27:39,880
and I asserted fair use and quoted the

1810
01:27:45,989 --> 01:27:42,219
fact that you can reproduce aspects of a

1811
01:27:48,810 --> 01:27:45,999
published article and the material

1812
01:27:51,629 --> 01:27:48,820
around it if you give proper

1813
01:27:54,479 --> 01:27:51,639
acknowledgement which I think we did but

1814
01:27:55,739 --> 01:27:54,489
she remembered this 15 years later this

1815
01:27:58,439 --> 01:27:55,749
happened when I was a teenager

1816
01:27:59,790 --> 01:27:58,449
well 15 years later she says oh you're

1817
01:28:03,629 --> 01:27:59,800
the guy who published that photo without

1818
01:28:05,909 --> 01:28:03,639
permission I want to talk to you for

1819
01:28:08,609 --> 01:28:05,919
what it's worth and I never met the lady

1820
01:28:11,339 --> 01:28:08,619
he never spoke to her but but feel lucky

1821
01:28:14,279 --> 01:28:11,349
I've talked to a lot of people that that

1822
01:28:18,060 --> 01:28:14,289
did know her and that that about sounds

1823
01:28:19,979 --> 01:28:18,070
like what I've been told so but a pro

1824
01:28:22,739 --> 01:28:19,989
did some really good work okay so what

1825
01:28:27,949 --> 01:28:22,749
happens here is that while Andrus who

1826
01:28:29,790 --> 01:28:27,959
was the founder of MUFON he borrowed or

1827
01:28:31,890 --> 01:28:29,800
basically took without permission

1828
01:28:35,279 --> 01:28:31,900
whatever about prepare portation he

1829
01:28:38,549 --> 01:28:35,289
stole it okay he took these stuff from a

1830
01:28:41,219 --> 01:28:38,559
pro and then what happened well he used

1831
01:28:44,429 --> 01:28:41,229
that as a seedbed to start soliciting

1832
01:28:46,350 --> 01:28:44,439
members for MUFON now

1833
01:28:48,449 --> 01:28:46,360
this isn't unusual by the way people

1834
01:28:50,969 --> 01:28:48,459
start businesses like that all over the

1835
01:28:53,110 --> 01:28:50,979
place you steal a list of contacts from

1836
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:53,120
someone you're selling for a company it

1837
01:28:58,240 --> 01:28:55,370
the names you start your own company I

1838
01:29:00,220 --> 01:28:58,250
used to work for a pre-press outfit in

1839
01:29:02,530 --> 01:29:00,230
the 1980s where that's how the company

1840
01:29:04,630 --> 01:29:02,540
began this woman was working for a

1841
01:29:06,850 --> 01:29:04,640
printer and she took down the names of

1842
01:29:08,440 --> 01:29:06,860
the clients and one day she called them

1843
01:29:10,900 --> 01:29:08,450
and said I'm starting my own pre-press

1844
01:29:11,890 --> 01:29:10,910
service and she looked the other company

1845
01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:11,900
out of business by the way

1846
01:29:17,290 --> 01:29:15,170
well Walt was was was quite a character

1847
01:29:20,620 --> 01:29:17,300
he's still with us

1848
01:29:22,660 --> 01:29:20,630
he although he stepped down years ago as

1849
01:29:28,240 --> 01:29:22,670
the international director of mow fond

1850
01:29:34,390 --> 01:29:28,250
but I had a my very first encounter with

1851
01:29:36,610 --> 01:29:34,400
Walt Andres took place in July of 1988

1852
01:29:41,530 --> 01:29:36,620
down in Las Vegas Nevada

1853
01:29:43,870 --> 01:29:41,540
or was that 80 I guess it was 89

1854
01:29:46,660 --> 01:29:43,880
during that all these years the memory

1855
01:29:48,220 --> 01:29:46,670
fades go ahead well no that was quite a

1856
01:29:50,730 --> 01:29:48,230
memorable conference with Bill Moore

1857
01:29:56,110 --> 01:29:50,740
doing this Mia culpa and all that yeah

1858
01:29:59,170 --> 01:29:56,120
that was 89 and John Lear who was then

1859
01:30:03,250 --> 01:29:59,180
the state director for MUFON and the

1860
01:30:05,590 --> 01:30:03,260
person hosting this event had invited me

1861
01:30:09,850 --> 01:30:05,600
and a couple of other people to come

1862
01:30:13,810 --> 01:30:09,860
down and give a sunday presentation

1863
01:30:15,070 --> 01:30:13,820
which caused massive heartburn among the

1864
01:30:19,030 --> 01:30:15,080
Mullen

1865
01:30:21,310 --> 01:30:19,040
and as I said what before we give anyone

1866
01:30:22,630 --> 01:30:21,320
else heartburn especially our sponsors

1867
01:30:24,910 --> 01:30:22,640
we don't want them to have heartburn

1868
01:30:25,720 --> 01:30:24,920
unless they have something to sell you

1869
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:25,730
the cures it

1870
01:30:30,860 --> 01:30:27,770
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[Music]

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01:35:02,070 --> 01:34:59,240
hi my name is Richard Dolan you're

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01:35:08,490 --> 01:35:02,080
listening to the Peres cast

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01:35:13,030 --> 01:35:10,990
by the way alka-seltzer did not pay us

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01:35:15,820 --> 01:35:13,040
for that understand that we have Kris

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01:35:18,070 --> 01:35:15,830
Jean with Don Ecker of the dark matters

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01:35:21,190 --> 01:35:18,080
radio show the ones that only the

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01:35:24,820 --> 01:35:21,200
original there's one F for substitute

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01:35:29,140 --> 01:35:24,830
you're telling the story 1989 a Sunday

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01:35:32,650 --> 01:35:29,150
session MUFON right so so I'm checking

1979
01:35:35,100 --> 01:35:32,660
in to the hotel and I was standing there

1980
01:35:38,050 --> 01:35:35,110
I had my luggage I had my laptop

1981
01:35:40,240 --> 01:35:38,060
computer believe it or not we had laptop

1982
01:35:42,550 --> 01:35:40,250
computers back in those days you had a

1983
01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:42,560
Macintosh portable which weighed about

1984
01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:44,570
30 pounds or something and I think it

1985
01:35:50,770 --> 01:35:48,410
was like $5,000 yeah well this this was

1986
01:35:53,410 --> 01:35:50,780
a was an IBM clone it was a nice little

1987
01:35:55,720 --> 01:35:53,420
I mean you know for jotting stories you

1988
01:35:57,610 --> 01:35:55,730
couldn't go online with it but hey there

1989
01:35:59,950 --> 01:35:57,620
was nowhere to go online unless you were

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01:36:01,930 --> 01:35:59,960
paying at least 640 an hour and copies

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01:36:04,540 --> 01:36:01,940
service well I paid four dollars an hour

1992
01:36:08,860 --> 01:36:04,550
for AOL so there you go well that was

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01:36:11,440 --> 01:36:08,870
later this was before was 1989 AOL was

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around then well nobody knew about it

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01:36:18,459 --> 01:36:16,219
but thank you I resemble that remark at

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any rate this I'm standing there

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01:36:25,660 --> 01:36:21,260
checking in and this short little older

1998
01:36:27,940 --> 01:36:25,670
guy walks up to me and I I wasn't sure

1999
01:36:31,300 --> 01:36:27,950
who he was and he introduced himself

2000
01:36:35,290 --> 01:36:31,310
he's at ha-ru Donecker yeah well I'm

2001
01:36:37,060 --> 01:36:35,300
Walt Andrus oh well nice to meet you

2002
01:36:40,870 --> 01:36:37,070
Walt how you doing

2003
01:36:45,700 --> 01:36:40,880
I just want to tell you that if you

2004
01:36:50,229 --> 01:36:45,710
speak at the Sunday conference that John

2005
01:36:56,160 --> 01:36:50,239
Lear is putting on you'll never speak at

2006
01:37:00,060 --> 01:36:56,170
another MUFON conference and I okay and

2007
01:37:02,740 --> 01:37:00,070
that's not the way to approach me okay

2008
01:37:04,420 --> 01:37:02,750
what you basically did then was probably

2009
01:37:09,479 --> 01:37:04,430
commit you to speaking at every

2010
01:37:14,229 --> 01:37:09,489
conference till the rest of time so

2011
01:37:15,609 --> 01:37:14,239
anyway I guess they they really came

2012
01:37:19,149 --> 01:37:15,619
unglued

2013
01:37:20,830 --> 01:37:19,159
Laer and of course I didn't know leer

2014
01:37:26,020 --> 01:37:20,840
very well then

2015
01:37:29,409 --> 01:37:26,030
and he seemed under an inordinate amount

2016
01:37:32,919 --> 01:37:29,419
of strain at the time but they they

2017
01:37:37,029 --> 01:37:32,929
ultimately caused John Lear to lose his

2018
01:37:39,489 --> 01:37:37,039
temper and he said fine he said you

2019
01:37:43,479 --> 01:37:39,499
don't want me speaking at my own

2020
01:37:45,819 --> 01:37:43,489
conference that I am putting on well

2021
01:37:48,009 --> 01:37:45,829
I've already made arrangements to move

2022
01:37:52,859 --> 01:37:48,019
the conference down the street to

2023
01:37:55,989 --> 01:37:52,869
another venue and had leer had done that

2024
01:37:59,739 --> 01:37:55,999
mufon would have lost their conference

2025
01:38:02,350 --> 01:37:59,749
as it was one ice boat and I went out

2026
01:38:05,619 --> 01:38:02,360
there it was actually the largest

2027
01:38:08,259 --> 01:38:05,629
audience and it was really my first one

2028
01:38:09,909 --> 01:38:08,269
it was the largest audience I ever had

2029
01:38:13,419 --> 01:38:09,919
there were between eight and nine

2030
01:38:15,969 --> 01:38:13,429
hundred people in that auditorium when I

2031
01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:15,979
gave my talk and what I was talking

2032
01:38:23,399 --> 01:38:19,010
about was the research that I was then

2033
01:38:26,500 --> 01:38:23,409
up to my eyebrows in on the human

2034
01:38:31,299 --> 01:38:26,510
mutilation investigation I was

2035
01:38:33,750 --> 01:38:31,309
conducting which I did I spent almost

2036
01:38:36,790 --> 01:38:33,760
three years trying to break through that

2037
01:38:40,689 --> 01:38:36,800
but yeah there were some there were some

2038
01:38:44,619 --> 01:38:40,699
very very upset people at MUFON but you

2039
01:38:47,339 --> 01:38:44,629
know at the time I was a because I had

2040
01:38:50,919 --> 01:38:47,349
joined the organization I was a state

2041
01:38:54,219 --> 01:38:50,929
section director for move on I was

2042
01:38:59,799 --> 01:38:54,229
living in Idaho at the time and there

2043
01:39:02,049 --> 01:38:59,809
was a phenomenon with those guys at the

2044
01:39:06,729 --> 01:39:02,059
MUFON headquarters and the phenomenon

2045
01:39:11,739 --> 01:39:06,739
was we would send all these reports in

2046
01:39:14,169 --> 01:39:11,749
and nothing and I do mean nothing ever

2047
01:39:18,129 --> 01:39:14,179
came out that seems to be something that

2048
01:39:23,529 --> 01:39:18,139
still happens and the state director for

2049
01:39:26,589 --> 01:39:23,539
the state of Idaho tried to get Andrus

2050
01:39:29,410 --> 01:39:26,599
and those people to release their

2051
01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:29,420
membership rolls because at the time

2052
01:39:34,540 --> 01:39:32,570
sky is name was Dan Mason wanted to do

2053
01:39:37,750 --> 01:39:34,550
something which actually would have

2054
01:39:43,270 --> 01:39:37,760
benefited the organization as a whole

2055
01:39:45,220 --> 01:39:43,280
and mo Phan refused to give him any aid

2056
01:39:47,200 --> 01:39:45,230
or assistance whatsoever

2057
01:39:48,580 --> 01:39:47,210
now I understand sometimes you don't

2058
01:39:50,439 --> 01:39:48,590
want to give out your membership list

2059
01:39:53,169 --> 01:39:50,449
because you know there's the fear that

2060
01:39:55,900 --> 01:39:53,179
people might get spammed or something

2061
01:39:58,990 --> 01:39:55,910
it's also a matter of privacy but I

2062
01:40:02,350 --> 01:39:59,000
assume if you have privacy requirements

2063
01:40:04,930 --> 01:40:02,360
that you agree to online or however you

2064
01:40:06,160 --> 01:40:04,940
join MUFON you know then they can do

2065
01:40:07,930 --> 01:40:06,170
anything they want but if they want to

2066
01:40:09,490 --> 01:40:07,940
keep their membership a secret I could

2067
01:40:11,680 --> 01:40:09,500
understand that I sympathize with that

2068
01:40:14,110 --> 01:40:11,690
I'd rather though you focus on what's

2069
01:40:18,640 --> 01:40:14,120
happening now well what what is

2070
01:40:22,140 --> 01:40:18,650
happening now apparently now I know two

2071
01:40:25,950 --> 01:40:22,150
of the primary people that have been

2072
01:40:30,070 --> 01:40:25,960
instrumental in keeping the LA MUFON

2073
01:40:34,209 --> 01:40:30,080
organization a very viable organization

2074
01:40:37,419 --> 01:40:34,219
for the last 10 15 years we had a

2075
01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:37,429
working relationship with with these

2076
01:40:48,130 --> 01:40:42,890
guys and and also ladies at UFO magazine

2077
01:40:52,450 --> 01:40:48,140
but apparently they had and who shall

2078
01:40:55,110 --> 01:40:52,460
current Leary main nameless I know who

2079
01:40:59,770 --> 01:40:55,120
it is I knew the person that came in and

2080
01:41:04,510 --> 01:40:59,780
took over but she arbitrarily gave

2081
01:41:07,810 --> 01:41:04,520
everybody the boot now I have been

2082
01:41:12,760 --> 01:41:07,820
trying to get these two fellows Steve

2083
01:41:15,570 --> 01:41:12,770
Morello and Wolf macaron on my show to

2084
01:41:19,630 --> 01:41:15,580
discuss this and so far I've been

2085
01:41:22,209 --> 01:41:19,640
unsuccessful but it's been it's it's

2086
01:41:25,439 --> 01:41:22,219
been a bone of contention and from what

2087
01:41:29,620 --> 01:41:25,449
I understand now and these guys had been

2088
01:41:32,550 --> 01:41:29,630
the people responsible for videotaping

2089
01:41:35,459 --> 01:41:32,560
and audio taping they would have

2090
01:41:39,100 --> 01:41:35,469
speakers come in every month they would

2091
01:41:41,919 --> 01:41:39,110
would video an audio tape them make

2092
01:41:43,060 --> 01:41:41,929
these recordings available for the

2093
01:41:46,510 --> 01:41:43,070
public to

2094
01:41:51,190 --> 01:41:46,520
to purchase which really kept their

2095
01:41:53,850 --> 01:41:51,200
coffers going and now it's my

2096
01:41:58,420 --> 01:41:53,860
understanding that the DLA mufon

2097
01:42:01,750 --> 01:41:58,430
organization is if not dead it's on very

2098
01:42:03,130 --> 01:42:01,760
very serious life now what I heard the

2099
01:42:05,650 --> 01:42:03,140
story that went around and we discussed

2100
01:42:07,690 --> 01:42:05,660
it in our forums is that they were

2101
01:42:10,300 --> 01:42:07,700
splintering off from the national

2102
01:42:12,550 --> 01:42:10,310
organization and setting up their own

2103
01:42:15,610 --> 01:42:12,560
group which would supposedly concentrate

2104
01:42:17,500 --> 01:42:15,620
on a wider range of paranormal related

2105
01:42:18,700 --> 01:42:17,510
subjects it wouldn't just be UFOs it

2106
01:42:20,860 --> 01:42:18,710
would cover a whole bunch of things

2107
01:42:23,800 --> 01:42:20,870
that's something they're entitled to do

2108
01:42:27,250 --> 01:42:23,810
they always did so what was the point of

2109
01:42:29,620 --> 01:42:27,260
this at all I think it was and I'm only

2110
01:42:31,690 --> 01:42:29,630
speculating because I don't know for

2111
01:42:33,520 --> 01:42:31,700
absolutely sure but I think it was just

2112
01:42:35,620 --> 01:42:33,530
a power play hey I'm the person in

2113
01:42:38,430 --> 01:42:35,630
charge now and by god you'll do what I

2114
01:42:42,910 --> 01:42:38,440
what I want you to do and that just

2115
01:42:46,180 --> 01:42:42,920
didn't work and now they're stuck with

2116
01:42:49,990 --> 01:42:46,190
their decision so the bottom line and

2117
01:42:53,080 --> 01:42:50,000
and there was not always a good vibe

2118
01:42:56,370 --> 01:42:53,090
between national MUFON and la MUFON

2119
01:43:00,460 --> 01:42:56,380
anyway they had their their little

2120
01:43:02,560 --> 01:43:00,470
politicking that went on and hey I gotta

2121
01:43:05,860 --> 01:43:02,570
tell you this up front you know in

2122
01:43:08,400 --> 01:43:05,870
perfect disclosure I've got nothing to

2123
01:43:11,980 --> 01:43:08,410
do with with either of those

2124
01:43:15,880 --> 01:43:11,990
organizations over the years I spoke

2125
01:43:19,540 --> 01:43:15,890
maybe two perhaps three times at the LA

2126
01:43:21,340 --> 01:43:19,550
MUFON in all the years that we've been

2127
01:43:26,980 --> 01:43:21,350
out here and as a matter of fact they

2128
01:43:29,470 --> 01:43:26,990
never even invited Vikki down to to give

2129
01:43:31,900 --> 01:43:29,480
an address you just up and over the hill

2130
01:43:33,730 --> 01:43:31,910
from them there and in what Studio City

2131
01:43:37,000 --> 01:43:33,740
right and you're just you're down the

2132
01:43:39,250 --> 01:43:37,010
road just a short short distance right

2133
01:43:41,860 --> 01:43:39,260
right and you know that that's one thing

2134
01:43:44,220 --> 01:43:41,870
that that I've got to be you know and

2135
01:43:47,830 --> 01:43:44,230
I'm speaking from not only the

2136
01:43:50,050 --> 01:43:47,840
perspective of being her husband but you

2137
01:43:51,819 --> 01:43:50,060
know here was here was somebody that not

2138
01:43:56,979 --> 01:43:51,829
only

2139
01:44:00,729 --> 01:43:56,989
saw the idea of a UFO publication in her

2140
01:44:04,540 --> 01:44:00,739
mind but then she went ahead and made it

2141
01:44:08,020 --> 01:44:04,550
into reality and over the years she's

2142
01:44:12,220 --> 01:44:08,030
basically been ignored and you know back

2143
01:44:15,759 --> 01:44:12,230
in in 2006 when both of us finally ended

2144
01:44:18,430 --> 01:44:15,769
up bailing out of that morass you know

2145
01:44:20,890 --> 01:44:18,440
she basically was just fed up with it

2146
01:44:24,220 --> 01:44:20,900
like I was so it's one of those things

2147
01:44:26,080 --> 01:44:24,230
that you know is is unfortunate but

2148
01:44:28,810 --> 01:44:26,090
that's life I guess

2149
01:44:31,930 --> 01:44:28,820
well of course the UFO magazine after

2150
01:44:33,430 --> 01:44:31,940
you gave it up has been barely on life

2151
01:44:35,979 --> 01:44:33,440
support I think they came out with like

2152
01:44:37,870 --> 01:44:35,989
one issue after a whole year so I don't

2153
01:44:41,140 --> 01:44:37,880
know what's going on with him I have a

2154
01:44:43,359 --> 01:44:41,150
question for Don I guess the the latest

2155
01:44:45,549 --> 01:44:43,369
scuttlebutt is that Jan Harsin who I

2156
01:44:47,890 --> 01:44:45,559
think was this California State Director

2157
01:44:50,739 --> 01:44:47,900
for a MUFON and longtime

2158
01:44:54,310 --> 01:44:50,749
revolving head of Orange County MUFON

2159
01:44:57,669 --> 01:44:54,320
didn't this la MUFON sort of splintering

2160
01:44:59,770 --> 01:44:57,679
off happened right when Jan was kind of

2161
01:45:02,739 --> 01:44:59,780
touted behind the scenes as the next

2162
01:45:06,009 --> 01:45:02,749
director you know I honestly I do not

2163
01:45:08,140 --> 01:45:06,019
know Chris I dan is gonna be the head of

2164
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international MUFON now according to

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what I've read we're catching up with

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2231
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here's Jane Steinberg okay on the power

2232
01:48:07,020 --> 01:48:05,050
cache with you and Chris catching up

2233
01:48:09,299 --> 01:48:07,030
with our old friend Don Ecker we're

2234
01:48:13,080 --> 01:48:09,309
talking about MUFON about the

2235
01:48:14,759 --> 01:48:13,090
splintering of the LA branch now if you

2236
01:48:16,410 --> 01:48:14,769
were MUFON wouldn't you just say okay

2237
01:48:19,350 --> 01:48:16,420
you don't want to be part of us we'll

2238
01:48:22,950 --> 01:48:19,360
set up a new LA branch well that's

2239
01:48:26,669 --> 01:48:22,960
basically what Steve Murillo and wolf

2240
01:48:31,979 --> 01:48:26,679
McCarran are working on now you know the

2241
01:48:34,620 --> 01:48:31,989
problem with MUFON overall has over the

2242
01:48:37,890 --> 01:48:34,630
years I mean through the UFO field

2243
01:48:40,979 --> 01:48:37,900
you've seen ripples you've seen people

2244
01:48:45,060 --> 01:48:40,989
that were very prominent in the UFO

2245
01:48:48,660 --> 01:48:45,070
field basically have a lot of problems

2246
01:48:51,629 --> 01:48:48,670
with this now one in particular who was

2247
01:48:54,089 --> 01:48:51,639
a state director was Elaine Douglas

2248
01:48:57,600 --> 01:48:54,099
somebody that I know I'm sure you guys

2249
01:48:59,939 --> 01:48:57,610
have known Elaine Douglas for years was

2250
01:49:03,810 --> 01:48:59,949
very prominent in the MUFON field and

2251
01:49:07,580 --> 01:49:03,820
she became highly agitated and

2252
01:49:13,220 --> 01:49:07,590
distressed year two couple years ago

2253
01:49:16,560 --> 01:49:13,230
with the parent and I don't know if

2254
01:49:20,040 --> 01:49:16,570
infiltration is the right word or not

2255
01:49:23,930 --> 01:49:20,050
the Bigelow Foundation who came in with

2256
01:49:28,410 --> 01:49:23,940
a wallet full of greenbacks and

2257
01:49:30,660 --> 01:49:28,420
basically took over all the the data

2258
01:49:34,649 --> 01:49:30,670
that was available and I know that

2259
01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:34,659
Elaine Douglas was experiencing great

2260
01:49:40,979 --> 01:49:37,530
heartburn about that they basically

2261
01:49:44,580 --> 01:49:40,989
removed her and because she was

2262
01:49:48,540 --> 01:49:44,590
outspoken is outspoken and basically

2263
01:49:50,660 --> 01:49:48,550
said fine if that's the case I'm free to

2264
01:49:53,089 --> 01:49:50,670
say anything I want to say and

2265
01:49:55,350 --> 01:49:53,099
subsequently she's done that so

2266
01:49:56,970 --> 01:49:55,360
there-there are

2267
01:50:00,209 --> 01:49:56,980
and have been a lot of people that have

2268
01:50:03,120 --> 01:50:00,219
been distressed and well done let's kind

2269
01:50:05,310 --> 01:50:03,130
of call this thing the way it really

2270
01:50:07,740 --> 01:50:05,320
should be called for decades

2271
01:50:11,370 --> 01:50:07,750
MUFON was nothing more than a black hole

2272
01:50:15,300 --> 01:50:11,380
sucking in data the reason why I yeah I

2273
01:50:17,520 --> 01:50:15,310
started out early in the early 90s being

2274
01:50:19,700 --> 01:50:17,530
courted by MUFON to be a section

2275
01:50:23,550 --> 01:50:19,710
director down in the San Luis Valley and

2276
01:50:25,470 --> 01:50:23,560
I made a couple of attempts after after

2277
01:50:28,470 --> 01:50:25,480
actually joining the organization to to

2278
01:50:30,750 --> 01:50:28,480
gain some case files from cases that I

2279
01:50:32,700 --> 01:50:30,760
was interested in researching and was a

2280
01:50:34,560 --> 01:50:32,710
black hole there was no way that I was

2281
01:50:37,290 --> 01:50:34,570
ever gonna get any of that information

2282
01:50:39,600 --> 01:50:37,300
because it was all stored in boxes in

2283
01:50:42,810 --> 01:50:39,610
Seguin Texas and Walt and just his

2284
01:50:44,189 --> 01:50:42,820
garage and you know I've joked on the

2285
01:50:47,729 --> 01:50:44,199
show a couple of times over the years

2286
01:50:49,229 --> 01:50:47,739
that thank God a tornado never hit and

2287
01:50:51,629 --> 01:50:49,239
is's neighborhood because we would have

2288
01:50:54,180 --> 01:50:51,639
MUFON reports scattered across you know

2289
01:50:56,580 --> 01:50:54,190
possibly a couple of states now that's

2290
01:50:59,760 --> 01:50:56,590
changed I think with the with the

2291
01:51:00,899 --> 01:50:59,770
implementation of this MUFON database I

2292
01:51:02,850 --> 01:51:00,909
think James carrion was real

2293
01:51:05,070 --> 01:51:02,860
instrumental in that and of course it

2294
01:51:08,100 --> 01:51:05,080
took John Schuessler many years to get

2295
01:51:10,560 --> 01:51:08,110
it together to to even get to that point

2296
01:51:12,810 --> 01:51:10,570
MUFON has changed somewhat in that

2297
01:51:15,899 --> 01:51:12,820
regard but I don't think all the files

2298
01:51:18,500 --> 01:51:15,909
are actually available to MUFON members

2299
01:51:22,709 --> 01:51:18,510
I think the whole Bigelow Aerospace

2300
01:51:25,680 --> 01:51:22,719
scenario has has put a lid on particular

2301
01:51:28,500 --> 01:51:25,690
cases that are it's especially

2302
01:51:30,300 --> 01:51:28,510
noteworthy and that's always been a

2303
01:51:33,140 --> 01:51:30,310
problem that I've heard assistant

2304
01:51:36,600 --> 01:51:33,150
comments any great surprise look at the

2305
01:51:41,280 --> 01:51:36,610
skinwalker ranch the knits effort that

2306
01:51:43,649 --> 01:51:41,290
was going on now granted that that was

2307
01:51:45,359 --> 01:51:43,659
proprietary from the get-go but there

2308
01:51:49,500 --> 01:51:45,369
were a lot of people with a lot of hope

2309
01:51:51,870 --> 01:51:49,510
that they would be forthcoming with the

2310
01:51:55,850 --> 01:51:51,880
results of some of their investigation

2311
01:51:59,640 --> 01:51:55,860
that never happened I can I can remember

2312
01:52:03,830 --> 01:51:59,650
another case back in the mid early to

2313
01:52:07,740 --> 01:52:03,840
mid 90s with a certain abduction

2314
01:52:10,890 --> 01:52:07,750
researcher in the American Midwest

2315
01:52:13,590 --> 01:52:10,900
was very prominent at the time I'll say

2316
01:52:17,370 --> 01:52:13,600
a John Carpenter okay all right

2317
01:52:22,080 --> 01:52:17,380
very good and carpenter made all his

2318
01:52:25,110 --> 01:52:22,090
files available to mr. Bigelow with it

2319
01:52:26,450 --> 01:52:25,120
without the names though well that's

2320
01:52:29,310 --> 01:52:26,460
beside the point

2321
01:52:32,180 --> 01:52:29,320
they they say it was without the names

2322
01:52:36,030 --> 01:52:32,190
do we do we know that Chris do we really

2323
01:52:38,490 --> 01:52:36,040
honestly know that well that's what I

2324
01:52:40,380 --> 01:52:38,500
found out when I did my digging I'm not

2325
01:52:43,530 --> 01:52:40,390
going to put anybody on the spot here

2326
01:52:45,420 --> 01:52:43,540
but there was some it's still

2327
01:52:46,710 --> 01:52:45,430
controversial when you when you talk to

2328
01:52:50,160 --> 01:52:46,720
people in Missouri about that whole

2329
01:52:53,430 --> 01:52:50,170
scenario well I can tell you that a UFO

2330
01:52:55,500 --> 01:52:53,440
magazine we heard from a number of

2331
01:53:00,270 --> 01:52:55,510
people that were ready to tar and

2332
01:53:03,870 --> 01:53:00,280
feather carpenter and I mean tar and

2333
01:53:05,190 --> 01:53:03,880
feather him with hot tar so he's been

2334
01:53:09,060 --> 01:53:05,200
out of the field ever since pretty much

2335
01:53:12,300 --> 01:53:09,070
so yeah yeah yeah yeah these guys step

2336
01:53:14,490 --> 01:53:12,310
on it and then hey well goodbye same

2337
01:53:16,410 --> 01:53:14,500
thing with that well I mean you know you

2338
01:53:18,480 --> 01:53:16,420
mentioned them earlier bill Moore same

2339
01:53:24,620 --> 01:53:18,490
thing well the whole the whole Bigelow

2340
01:53:26,940 --> 01:53:24,630
scenario is is still a real conundrum

2341
01:53:29,310 --> 01:53:26,950
you know I'm still hearing rumblings

2342
01:53:31,680 --> 01:53:29,320
that there is there may be some sort of

2343
01:53:35,040 --> 01:53:31,690
continuing connection between Bigelow 0l

2344
01:53:35,870 --> 01:53:35,050
space and and MUFON I don't know that

2345
01:53:38,700 --> 01:53:35,880
for a fact

2346
01:53:41,820 --> 01:53:38,710
officially of course all ties have been

2347
01:53:44,460 --> 01:53:41,830
severed but if you call the FAA Don and

2348
01:53:45,920 --> 01:53:44,470
report a UFO they tell you to call this

2349
01:53:50,280 --> 01:53:45,930
number and it goes to Bigelow Aerospace

2350
01:53:52,530 --> 01:53:50,290
yes I'm aware I'm aware I'm aware yeah

2351
01:53:55,110 --> 01:53:52,540
so you know what's the bottom line on

2352
01:53:57,450 --> 01:53:55,120
this well nothing because Bigelow sure

2353
01:54:00,120 --> 01:53:57,460
as hell was not telling anybody

2354
01:54:03,180 --> 01:54:00,130
none of his spokespeople are telling

2355
01:54:06,630 --> 01:54:03,190
anybody you know the stories are still

2356
01:54:10,350 --> 01:54:06,640
occasionally seeping out with no way to

2357
01:54:14,040 --> 01:54:10,360
verify or otherwise actually that that

2358
01:54:17,610 --> 01:54:14,050
show that Ventura put on a couple of

2359
01:54:21,739 --> 01:54:17,620
years ago Chris and in many regards was

2360
01:54:24,529 --> 01:54:21,749
the closest of anything that ever came

2361
01:54:26,509 --> 01:54:24,539
you know close to hitting Bigelow on the

2362
01:54:28,819 --> 01:54:26,519
record once the first time I ever saw

2363
01:54:30,349 --> 01:54:28,829
him on TV being interviewed and believe

2364
01:54:32,739 --> 01:54:30,359
me don't get me started on that whole

2365
01:54:36,229 --> 01:54:32,749
thing I was involved in that particular

2366
01:54:39,409 --> 01:54:36,239
conspiracy theory show from the

2367
01:54:43,009 --> 01:54:39,419
inception and to hold the show back for

2368
01:54:45,229 --> 01:54:43,019
eight months go through depending on who

2369
01:54:48,319 --> 01:54:45,239
you believe 15 to 20 different edits and

2370
01:54:50,679 --> 01:54:48,329
have the network be totally do an

2371
01:54:53,359 --> 01:54:50,689
about-face and then demand certain

2372
01:54:55,969 --> 01:54:53,369
editorial privileges for the final

2373
01:54:58,989 --> 01:54:55,979
product I still have problems with that

2374
01:55:01,669 --> 01:54:58,999
and and you know money does have

2375
01:55:04,099 --> 01:55:01,679
obviously tremendous sway and influence

2376
01:55:07,069 --> 01:55:04,109
in our culture but when it comes to this

2377
01:55:08,989 --> 01:55:07,079
kind of a subject I I think it's you

2378
01:55:11,269 --> 01:55:08,999
know it's even more apparent when people

2379
01:55:12,919 --> 01:55:11,279
with money get involved there have been

2380
01:55:15,139 --> 01:55:12,929
a few exceptions to this I think

2381
01:55:17,149 --> 01:55:15,149
Laurance Rockefeller comes to mind he

2382
01:55:19,489 --> 01:55:17,159
was pretty much hands-off Bigelow is

2383
01:55:21,409 --> 01:55:19,499
very much into control and yeah well

2384
01:55:23,779 --> 01:55:21,419
they interviewed me a year and a half

2385
01:55:26,719 --> 01:55:23,789
before that aired you know at the very

2386
01:55:28,429 --> 01:55:26,729
beginning of that show they shot to me

2387
01:55:32,109 --> 01:55:28,439
and I was giving his background but

2388
01:55:34,939 --> 01:55:32,119
after that was all said and done the

2389
01:55:37,539 --> 01:55:34,949
producer that produced that that brought

2390
01:55:40,669 --> 01:55:37,549
me into the project originally I

2391
01:55:44,349 --> 01:55:40,679
contacted her and said hey I'd like to

2392
01:55:47,899 --> 01:55:44,359
get Evan Jesse Ventura's son Tyrell on

2393
01:55:51,919 --> 01:55:47,909
DMR to interview and she gave me his

2394
01:55:54,319 --> 01:55:51,929
contact email information I wrote him a

2395
01:55:58,219 --> 01:55:54,329
number of times never heard back from

2396
01:56:00,589 --> 01:55:58,229
him so you know you know I saw him

2397
01:56:03,469 --> 01:56:00,599
recently about a month and a half ago

2398
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out in LA at the UFO media group meeting

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in I think was out at Marina del Rey and

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01:56:13,699 --> 01:56:12,239
very interesting response I was in the

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audience and then stood up and asked

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01:56:18,319 --> 01:56:16,259
some very pointed questions and you know

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the same thing happened with the venture

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show you'll notice that the show went

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absolutely the bottom dropped out of

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that show after the air the visa can

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walk a ranch episode whatever

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credibility he'd he carefully and and

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very laborious ly tried to attain over

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the first two seasons was

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we trashed and donned who's this

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Frederick rule guy do you know him

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Frederick rule yeah the guy that they

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they trot trot out as the scientist he

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has no forehead you know his eyebrows

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01:56:53,640 --> 01:56:50,950
and glasses I've never heard of this guy

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01:56:55,800 --> 01:56:53,650
and they made him out to be some sort of

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expert in between him and Preston

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01:57:02,730 --> 01:56:59,500
Dennett they totally sank that show in

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my opinion what they came up with as the

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ending kind of rationale for big load to

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be an honest person could have a space

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station to escape the alien invasion to

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me was was so disingenuous and

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absolutely ludicrous that I really think

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that that show that single show really

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really was the the last nail in the

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coffin for them oh wait a minute I do I

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do know who rule was we have Don Ecker

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in loop Erica's

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eleven trillion gold trading around $850

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per ounce close to 2012 the national

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debt exceeded sixteen point four

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trillion gold doubled a $1600 bronze the

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if you have a comment a question about

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the memories come slow but they do come

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at our age right Don Ecker with Gene and

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02:02:09,770 --> 02:02:07,860
Christian the para cast Don you had a

2525
02:02:12,050 --> 02:02:09,780
response to something Chris said in our

2526
02:02:13,850 --> 02:02:12,060
previous segment and after that we have

2527
02:02:16,150 --> 02:02:13,860
some questions in the question Bank

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02:02:19,480 --> 02:02:16,160
Daniel grace will ask you go here please

2529
02:02:23,240 --> 02:02:19,490
Jesse Ventura skinwalker ranch show

2530
02:02:27,410 --> 02:02:23,250
Chris you were right they did bring on a

2531
02:02:30,410 --> 02:02:27,420
couple of Fringe people Preston Tennant

2532
02:02:33,500 --> 02:02:30,420
being one of them who was on the fringe

2533
02:02:34,220 --> 02:02:33,510
of UFO stuff out here for well over 20

2534
02:02:37,640 --> 02:02:34,230
years

2535
02:02:41,930 --> 02:02:37,650
always affiliated with with fringe area

2536
02:02:46,910 --> 02:02:41,940
topics Franklin Ruehl was a guy now I I

2537
02:02:50,720 --> 02:02:46,920
don't know if you will recall but when

2538
02:02:55,460 --> 02:02:50,730
the sci-fi channel first aired back in

2539
02:02:58,160 --> 02:02:55,470
the very early 1990s they had less than

2540
02:03:00,550 --> 02:02:58,170
a zero budget to put on programming but

2541
02:03:04,880 --> 02:03:00,560
they had to put on programming and

2542
02:03:09,500 --> 02:03:04,890
Franklin Ruehl was one of the shows that

2543
02:03:13,790 --> 02:03:09,510
they brought on and he had a signature

2544
02:03:16,400 --> 02:03:13,800
thing he had little toy dinosaurs I mean

2545
02:03:19,070 --> 02:03:16,410
it was obvious the set that he was on

2546
02:03:22,490 --> 02:03:19,080
looked like it was set up in somebody's

2547
02:03:24,980 --> 02:03:22,500
garage and he had a little desk there

2548
02:03:26,380 --> 02:03:24,990
and he had like toy dinosaurs on it and

2549
02:03:31,070 --> 02:03:26,390
what-have-you and would talk about

2550
02:03:34,460 --> 02:03:31,080
various fringe topics and he would he

2551
02:03:36,860 --> 02:03:34,470
would then say well if you got that

2552
02:03:39,320 --> 02:03:36,870
right you can give yourself a slap on

2553
02:03:41,330 --> 02:03:39,330
the back and the other thing was if you

2554
02:03:45,220 --> 02:03:41,340
got it wrong he could slap yourself with

2555
02:03:48,530 --> 02:03:45,230
it with some kind of dead fish that was

2556
02:03:50,930 --> 02:03:48,540
basically that was his contribution to

2557
02:03:53,300 --> 02:03:50,940
the sci-fi channel and this was the

2558
02:03:56,240 --> 02:03:53,310
first time now that you mention it that

2559
02:03:59,060 --> 02:03:56,250
I recall seeing him do anything and all

2560
02:04:00,560 --> 02:03:59,070
those years since the sci-fi channel

2561
02:04:04,250 --> 02:04:00,570
started to get a little funding and

2562
02:04:06,920 --> 02:04:04,260
dropped his show so I'm not surprised

2563
02:04:10,610 --> 02:04:06,930
that they had those people on there if

2564
02:04:13,110 --> 02:04:10,620
what their intent was was to take some

2565
02:04:15,900 --> 02:04:13,120
of the scary material

2566
02:04:16,860 --> 02:04:15,910
and basically defuse it with these guys

2567
02:04:19,860 --> 02:04:16,870
talking about

2568
02:04:22,760 --> 02:04:19,870
alien invasion for God's sake I mean

2569
02:04:27,050 --> 02:04:22,770
that that that just struck me as beyond

2570
02:04:30,420 --> 02:04:27,060
stupid yeah I I just when I watch that

2571
02:04:32,340 --> 02:04:30,430
episode they we've talked about this on

2572
02:04:35,150 --> 02:04:32,350
the show they totally misrepresented my

2573
02:04:38,580 --> 02:04:35,160
statements I'm almost to a point of

2574
02:04:40,680 --> 02:04:38,590
legal contention but you know power

2575
02:04:42,990 --> 02:04:40,690
corrupts lots of money corrupts

2576
02:04:43,890 --> 02:04:43,000
absolutely so you know it kind of comes

2577
02:04:46,080 --> 02:04:43,900
with the territory

2578
02:04:49,170 --> 02:04:46,090
you know Don we do have a bunch of

2579
02:04:51,150 --> 02:04:49,180
questions here I'd like to start off and

2580
02:04:53,610 --> 02:04:51,160
some of them of course we we weren't

2581
02:04:56,400 --> 02:04:53,620
able to announce your you know your

2582
02:04:58,410 --> 02:04:56,410
guests lot here on the show too far in

2583
02:04:59,760 --> 02:04:58,420
advance so we didn't get the amount of

2584
02:05:01,950 --> 02:04:59,770
questions that we would normally get for

2585
02:05:04,580 --> 02:05:01,960
you but there's a bunch that stand out

2586
02:05:07,320 --> 02:05:04,590
here and since we're talking about

2587
02:05:09,510 --> 02:05:07,330
personalities in the UFO field and

2588
02:05:12,930 --> 02:05:09,520
whatnot here's a question that comes

2589
02:05:15,060 --> 02:05:12,940
from Tom 1961 who is one of our newer

2590
02:05:17,670 --> 02:05:15,070
signups at forum dr. Perik asked calm

2591
02:05:19,920 --> 02:05:17,680
and he he says very simply who do you

2592
02:05:22,860 --> 02:05:19,930
respect in the UFO field and what books

2593
02:05:26,850 --> 02:05:22,870
do you recommend well let me do the book

2594
02:05:29,340 --> 02:05:26,860
thing first the number of books and you

2595
02:05:33,090 --> 02:05:29,350
know as far as I'm concerned there are

2596
02:05:37,590 --> 02:05:33,100
several that are classic that our

2597
02:05:41,130 --> 02:05:37,600
absolute must-read one of them and this

2598
02:05:44,220 --> 02:05:41,140
is the one book that I always recommend

2599
02:05:47,930 --> 02:05:44,230
because it was taken almost primarily

2600
02:05:51,470 --> 02:05:47,940
from military government UFO FILES

2601
02:05:54,330 --> 02:05:51,480
was Larry Fawcett Barry Greenwoods

2602
02:05:56,100 --> 02:05:54,340
excellent and I mean when I say

2603
02:05:58,350 --> 02:05:56,110
excellent that doesn't begin to describe

2604
02:06:02,190 --> 02:05:58,360
how I feel about it yeah it's a must

2605
02:06:06,020 --> 02:06:02,200
have clear intent now I kind of chided

2606
02:06:08,430 --> 02:06:06,030
Timothy good because of the guy Kirkwood

2607
02:06:12,230 --> 02:06:08,440
inclusion in his first book about the

2608
02:06:15,650 --> 02:06:12,240
top secret but that book also has some

2609
02:06:19,170 --> 02:06:15,660
excellent information in it

2610
02:06:23,490 --> 02:06:19,180
Richard Hall's uninvited guests is

2611
02:06:26,190 --> 02:06:23,500
another book that I think merits room on

2612
02:06:30,620 --> 02:06:26,200
any any aficionado shelf

2613
02:06:35,070 --> 02:06:30,630
the stuff that Kevin Randle has done is

2614
02:06:39,210 --> 02:06:35,080
almost universally great well researched

2615
02:06:41,640 --> 02:06:39,220
so forth your book Chris and you know

2616
02:06:43,200 --> 02:06:41,650
I'm sorry I apologize the title is not

2617
02:06:44,880 --> 02:06:43,210
coming to me but where you talk about

2618
02:06:46,680 --> 02:06:44,890
the yellow helicopter

2619
02:06:49,050 --> 02:06:46,690
yeah the mysterious valley in my first

2620
02:06:52,500 --> 02:06:49,060
book thank you the mysterious valley I

2621
02:06:56,070 --> 02:06:52,510
think that is an excellent book to have

2622
02:06:58,050 --> 02:06:56,080
and read so that that you know and I

2623
02:07:04,280 --> 02:06:58,060
mean they're there certainly many others

2624
02:07:09,000 --> 02:07:04,290
that I could recommend really going back

2625
02:07:12,900 --> 02:07:09,010
any of the books written by Donald Kehoe

2626
02:07:17,250 --> 02:07:12,910
if you can find them any of the books

2627
02:07:21,090 --> 02:07:17,260
written by Ivan Sanderson and getting

2628
02:07:25,940 --> 02:07:21,100
off in even more esoteric areas than I

2629
02:07:30,290 --> 02:07:25,950
then Sanderson is Ingo Swans book

2630
02:07:34,320 --> 02:07:30,300
penetration yeah which unfortunately

2631
02:07:38,160 --> 02:07:34,330
unless you have a big fat wallet you're

2632
02:07:41,790 --> 02:07:38,170
not going to find a probably a hardbound

2633
02:07:46,970 --> 02:07:41,800
version of penetration but luckily you

2634
02:07:49,350 --> 02:07:46,980
can still find a PDF copy of it online

2635
02:07:51,360 --> 02:07:49,360
generally if you know where to look

2636
02:07:54,660 --> 02:07:51,370
they're free I mean you can just

2637
02:07:58,890 --> 02:07:54,670
download it but that is another book

2638
02:08:02,550 --> 02:07:58,900
that and I I've got a hard hard copy of

2639
02:08:05,130 --> 02:08:02,560
penetration and I've reread it a number

2640
02:08:09,090 --> 02:08:05,140
of times and even the day I got to tell

2641
02:08:10,860 --> 02:08:09,100
you that it sends chills up my back now

2642
02:08:12,600 --> 02:08:10,870
you did some real head scratches in

2643
02:08:16,430 --> 02:08:12,610
there boy yeah really

2644
02:08:19,340 --> 02:08:16,440
now the the thing about

2645
02:08:22,250 --> 02:08:19,350
who do I respect in the field

2646
02:08:25,970 --> 02:08:22,260
unfortunately today it's pretty slim

2647
02:08:27,860 --> 02:08:25,980
pickings as far as I'm concerned and you

2648
02:08:29,689 --> 02:08:27,870
know you've got a you got to remember

2649
02:08:33,700 --> 02:08:29,699
that that I've been doing this for a

2650
02:08:37,520 --> 02:08:33,710
long time and I've seen I've seen a lot

2651
02:08:40,910 --> 02:08:37,530
over the years that have basically

2652
02:08:44,090 --> 02:08:40,920
soured me in many ways but YouTube guys

2653
02:08:44,750 --> 02:08:44,100
as far as I am concerned have done great

2654
02:08:49,010 --> 02:08:44,760
work

2655
02:08:53,660 --> 02:08:49,020
I think Kevin Randall is another guy

2656
02:08:58,129 --> 02:08:53,670
that I have much much respect for I have

2657
02:09:00,979 --> 02:08:58,139
respect for Stanton Friedman although I

2658
02:09:04,939 --> 02:09:00,989
do joke about Stanton pulling out that

2659
02:09:07,220 --> 02:09:04,949
that shop Warren folder of his with all

2660
02:09:09,200 --> 02:09:07,230
the blacked-out pages that I've seen him

2661
02:09:11,240 --> 02:09:09,210
do god only knows how many times over

2662
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the years but when it comes to

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he's been willing to wade through

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I'm sure that there are some others that

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I'm probably missing in the mix but like

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I said they're damned damned few people

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today doing what I consider to be good

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solid in-depth research some of the

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people of the past and you can find

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their work out there lends Stringfield

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is one once again let me mention Donald

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Kehoe even to some extent J Allen Hynek

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although I got to tell you J Allen Hynek

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in many ways disappointed me seriously

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over the years but Heine

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was somebody that did some good work I

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want to ask you about that a next

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segment on why Allen Hynek disappointed

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you and I knew him slightly in his final

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as you know Don Ecker takes no prisoners

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it tells you what he thinks and then

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some

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he is also host of the once and only

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substitutes with gene and Chris here in

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the para cast in our last segment Don

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and we'll get back to listener questions

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in a moment but in our last segment you

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02:15:19,620 --> 02:15:16,480
said that you weren't totally impressed

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with some of the work that J Allen Hynek

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02:15:26,880 --> 02:15:23,530
did explain why face Hynek was the

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02:15:30,480 --> 02:15:26,890
civilian consultant of the Air Force's

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02:15:33,360 --> 02:15:30,490
Project Blue Book and at the beginning

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when when he came on board and I could

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be wrong with the figure that I'm about

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02:15:43,490 --> 02:15:40,150
to give you but I believe that the Air

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Force and of course we're talking about

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1950s 1960 dollars I think the Air Force

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02:15:55,620 --> 02:15:52,240
was paying him something like five grand

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02:15:58,740 --> 02:15:55,630
a year might have been more than that at

2811
02:16:01,260 --> 02:15:58,750
the end who knows but at least that much

2812
02:16:04,260 --> 02:16:01,270
money to be there consultant and they

2813
02:16:06,540 --> 02:16:04,270
would get one of these crazy cases like

2814
02:16:10,020 --> 02:16:06,550
for example one of the most famous the

2815
02:16:13,500 --> 02:16:10,030
Hillsdale Michigan College case that

2816
02:16:17,520 --> 02:16:13,510
happened in 66 and we could actually do

2817
02:16:20,940 --> 02:16:17,530
an entire show on that and the aftermath

2818
02:16:25,520 --> 02:16:20,950
of what happened later but Hynek was

2819
02:16:31,410 --> 02:16:25,530
drugged out and he was willing to

2820
02:16:33,030 --> 02:16:31,420
compromise what he truly believed and

2821
02:16:35,580 --> 02:16:33,040
this is where where I say he

2822
02:16:39,150 --> 02:16:35,590
disappointed me and this is my belief

2823
02:16:42,959 --> 02:16:39,160
okay but he was willing to compromise he

2824
02:16:46,350 --> 02:16:42,969
knew something passingly highly

2825
02:16:49,259 --> 02:16:46,360
passingly strange was happening but he

2826
02:16:54,290 --> 02:16:49,269
compromised his personal beliefs to

2827
02:16:57,570 --> 02:16:54,300
satisfy his Air Force handlers now guys

2828
02:17:00,240 --> 02:16:57,580
yes yes this is the famous infamous

2829
02:17:02,580 --> 02:17:00,250
swamp yes of course he apologized for

2830
02:17:04,650 --> 02:17:02,590
that later he did but also there was a

2831
02:17:06,600 --> 02:17:04,660
swamp out back there so he could have

2832
02:17:09,331 --> 02:17:06,610
been correct as well so he dreams

2833
02:17:10,800 --> 02:17:09,341
you get in March Chris no.not admission

2834
02:17:13,530 --> 02:17:10,810
know that there was a lot going on

2835
02:17:16,710 --> 02:17:13,540
you're right on but at any rate then he

2836
02:17:22,320 --> 02:17:16,720
became a quote-unquote UFO believer well

2837
02:17:26,030 --> 02:17:22,330
just like James McDonald gave him grief

2838
02:17:29,460 --> 02:17:26,040
and McDonald was truly a courageous

2839
02:17:32,910 --> 02:17:29,470
scientist when it came to this topic was

2840
02:17:38,581 --> 02:17:32,920
willing to chew Hynix tail-end off as

2841
02:17:41,850 --> 02:17:38,591
what he saw as hynek's being timid okay

2842
02:17:45,750 --> 02:17:41,860
to the point where he would not speak up

2843
02:17:49,170 --> 02:17:45,760
even though he knew that he was that

2844
02:17:50,970 --> 02:17:49,180
McDonald and others was right okay

2845
02:17:54,420 --> 02:17:50,980
in other words he didn't have the

2846
02:17:56,850 --> 02:17:54,430
courage of his conviction and he came

2847
02:17:59,940 --> 02:17:56,860
around in the end he definitely did and

2848
02:18:01,530 --> 02:17:59,950
what what good did it do then when it

2849
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could have done a hell of a lot of good

2850
02:18:06,810 --> 02:18:04,540
back in the 50s and 60s yeah but that's

2851
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not really categorizing the quality of

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his work it's his attitude as approach

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02:18:13,260 --> 02:18:11,350
and I guess he's one of these people he

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felt if he went too far out on the limb

2855
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and a lot of people who are scientists

2856
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and professors take that approach which

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is you might impact your source of

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living then he should have called

2859
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himself an astronomer and a scientist

2860
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because he was scientifically dishonest

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well I have a little bit of a of a how

2862
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would I put this a news blast on the

2863
02:18:38,850 --> 02:18:37,240
Hynek front recently James Fox has spent

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the better part of two weeks with raised

2865
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Stanford out in Maryland and one of the

2866
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trips actually took a number of trips to

2867
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the National Archives and they found

2868
02:18:52,920 --> 02:18:49,780
original handwritten letters penned by

2869
02:18:55,350 --> 02:18:52,930
Allen Hynek about the Socorro case which

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will put to rest some of the assertions

2871
02:19:01,980 --> 02:18:59,110
by the UFO iconoclast about the actual

2872
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symbol that Ronnie Zamora was asked by

2873
02:19:07,860 --> 02:19:05,440
the military to fabricate to keep in

2874
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secret the real $0.06 symbol so that

2875
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they could use that as as control data

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02:19:14,280 --> 02:19:12,341
if somebody called up and reported a

2877
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symbol and it was the real symbol they

2878
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would know that it was the real case as

2879
02:19:20,510 --> 02:19:18,850
opposed to reporting the fake symbol

2880
02:19:24,170 --> 02:19:20,520
that the military

2881
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boozled zamora to sign off on and now we

2882
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have definitive proof that that is

2883
02:19:29,541 --> 02:19:28,110
actually the case and I probably

2884
02:19:33,260 --> 02:19:29,551
shouldn't have said this because I'm

2885
02:19:36,680 --> 02:19:33,270
scooping James Fox and Tracy Torme what

2886
02:19:38,871 --> 02:19:36,690
Torme basically said as much on DMR when

2887
02:19:41,991 --> 02:19:38,881
when I was running a weekly segment with

2888
02:19:45,350 --> 02:19:42,001
am i I know that that was a B in Tracy

2889
02:19:47,331 --> 02:19:45,360
tore Mays bonnet well it's been proven

2890
02:19:49,610 --> 02:19:47,341
beyond any shadow of a doubt they were

2891
02:19:52,791 --> 02:19:49,620
given access to the original documents

2892
02:19:55,520 --> 02:19:52,801
which they've scanned at extremely high

2893
02:19:57,440 --> 02:19:55,530
resolution and we'll be talking more

2894
02:20:00,291 --> 02:19:57,450
about this I'm sure in future episodes

2895
02:20:02,741 --> 02:20:00,301
of the podcast here's another question

2896
02:20:04,970 --> 02:20:02,751
which i think is germane to our

2897
02:20:07,730 --> 02:20:04,980
conversation and that is the whole

2898
02:20:09,831 --> 02:20:07,740
subject of alien abductions of course

2899
02:20:12,741 --> 02:20:09,841
Hynek was not really involved in the

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field by the time the whole abduction

2901
02:20:17,570 --> 02:20:14,971
thing really took off what do you think

2902
02:20:19,610 --> 02:20:17,580
about abductions done why or why not

2903
02:20:22,220 --> 02:20:19,620
this comes from burnt State one of our

2904
02:20:25,041 --> 02:20:22,230
fairly regular posters at forum dr.

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Peric ascom if you say yes about them

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02:20:29,241 --> 02:20:27,001
and you think they're real could you

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02:20:32,360 --> 02:20:29,251
cite what you feel are the key cases to

2908
02:20:34,640 --> 02:20:32,370
support the phenomenon and what is the

2909
02:20:38,530 --> 02:20:34,650
purpose of them if they're real this is

2910
02:20:41,720 --> 02:20:38,540
an area and I've I've also voiced this

2911
02:20:44,841 --> 02:20:41,730
before on pare cast appearances that

2912
02:20:47,661 --> 02:20:44,851
I've made over the years that that Vicki

2913
02:20:51,591 --> 02:20:47,671
and I did UFO magazine as you can expect

2914
02:20:54,081 --> 02:20:51,601
we had literally and I couldn't begin to

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tell you how many hundreds of people

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contact us write us telephone us and on

2917
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my original radio show UFOs tonight that

2918
02:21:07,461 --> 02:21:04,761
I did weekly back then questions and and

2919
02:21:11,980 --> 02:21:07,471
allegations that they underwent this

2920
02:21:14,600 --> 02:21:11,990
experience and I was always very very

2921
02:21:18,020 --> 02:21:14,610
tentative about getting involved in any

2922
02:21:21,470 --> 02:21:18,030
of this because in many cases I realized

2923
02:21:26,211 --> 02:21:21,480
that some of these people were extremely

2924
02:21:29,060 --> 02:21:26,221
fragile and I I had a set of Pat answers

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02:21:33,020 --> 02:21:29,070
I gave them because I did not feel

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02:21:33,930 --> 02:21:33,030
qualified to really become involved in

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02:21:36,970 --> 02:21:33,940
that

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02:21:40,541 --> 02:21:36,980
literally I was terrified of doing them

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02:21:43,560 --> 02:21:40,551
more harm than good but this is what I

2930
02:21:47,230 --> 02:21:43,570
would tell them if you believe that you

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02:21:50,051 --> 02:21:47,240
experience something out of the norm and

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it's bothering you to the point where

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you're having a hard time doing your day

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02:21:57,610 --> 02:21:54,200
to day existence gets amiss

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02:22:01,810 --> 02:21:57,620
this is what I suggest number one see

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02:22:05,320 --> 02:22:01,820
your family physician first find out if

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02:22:07,871 --> 02:22:05,330
you're in fact suffering any physical

2938
02:22:10,301 --> 02:22:07,881
effects of what you believe happened to

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02:22:14,761 --> 02:22:10,311
you number two if it's to the point

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where you feel that it's psychologically

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02:22:20,820 --> 02:22:17,091
disturbing you to the point where you're

2942
02:22:24,070 --> 02:22:20,830
having a hard time see a certified

2943
02:22:26,381 --> 02:22:24,080
mental health professional and I'm not

2944
02:22:28,871 --> 02:22:26,391
suggesting there's anything physically

2945
02:22:31,631 --> 02:22:28,881
or mentally wrong you know and today

2946
02:22:35,291 --> 02:22:31,641
what we might call this Jean and Kris is

2947
02:22:38,680 --> 02:22:35,301
PTSD okay post traumatic stress syndrome

2948
02:22:41,741 --> 02:22:38,690
perhaps that's it I said see someone

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02:22:46,421 --> 02:22:41,751
that is professionally qualified to help

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02:22:50,350 --> 02:22:46,431
you but by no means will I suggest that

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you see a hypnotherapist or someone that

2952
02:22:58,301 --> 02:22:54,501
builds themselves as a UFO abduction

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02:23:01,690 --> 02:22:58,311
researcher because I experience some

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02:23:04,360 --> 02:23:01,700
horror stories firsthand back when I was

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involved with UFO magazine Vicki and I

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you know as a as a former investigator a

2957
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detective I saw so many cases of these

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hypnotherapist leading the person that

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02:23:20,860 --> 02:23:17,271
they were working with it made me cringe

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02:23:22,661 --> 02:23:20,870
i I always shied away from that aspect

2961
02:23:24,640 --> 02:23:22,671
of it because I was afraid of harming

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02:23:27,511 --> 02:23:24,650
someone I think we should leave the

2963
02:23:30,341 --> 02:23:27,521
mental health professionals in charge of

2964
02:23:31,720 --> 02:23:30,351
helping these people and you know that

2965
02:23:34,150 --> 02:23:31,730
was a very good answer and I think that

2966
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that anybody out there who feels that

2967
02:23:40,511 --> 02:23:36,860
they have been in a situation that may

2968
02:23:43,560 --> 02:23:40,521
be described as an abduction phenomenon

2969
02:23:45,461 --> 02:23:43,570
type experience to definitely seek out

2970
02:23:47,000 --> 02:23:45,471
professionals in this realm and stay

2971
02:23:50,330 --> 02:23:47,010
away from people with a name and

2972
02:23:52,460 --> 02:23:50,340
ufology please do us and yourself most

2973
02:23:54,650 --> 02:23:52,470
importantly a favor right don't believe

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02:23:57,110 --> 02:23:54,660
anybody in ufology because we are not

2975
02:23:59,660 --> 02:23:57,120
credible I'm chill honey but you know

2976
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passion and sure a person that should

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have independent credentials as a

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journalist or certainly as an

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investigator like Don Ecker and uh

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police officers and they know what

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they're doing in their regular lives so

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they bring that to the UFO field we've

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gotten Don Ecker our great friend from

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you are listening to the podcast we have

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a few questions left in the till there

3089
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Chris O'Brien of Don Ecker

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and we'll probably have to ask you Don

3091
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to keep the questions sure cuz we don't

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have much time left

3093
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well here's one from ufology our friend

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Randall who is one of the most active

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members at forum dr. Peric ascom and Don

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he wants to know how the new unvarnished

3097
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truth book is coming along perhaps you

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could give us a teaser that illustrates

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what you mean when you said you know

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where the bodies are buried

3101
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that's a little tantalizing and that it

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will give some people heartburn well I

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won't give another ad for alka-seltzer

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but he gives an example who in the youth

3105
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illogical community should be preparing

3106
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to break out the pepto-bismol well

3107
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probably the people that have UFO

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magazine for one yeah okay you want to

3109
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care to expand on that answer no no I'm

3110
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not going to preempt the book that we're

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working on I'm not going to do then do

3112
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we have a slated completion date or when

3113
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it's done so vague but you know hey

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we're going back through almost 25 you

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guys have been at it for a long time and

3116
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I'm sure there's a lot of gems in the

3117
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woodwork as much as I would love to be

3118
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able to come on here and and drop some

3119
02:30:21,220 --> 02:30:17,451
real zingers you know I just be cutting

3120
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my own throat so okay well moving right

3121
02:30:27,461 --> 02:30:24,110
along Bert state again is another one of

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our our new forum participants at forum

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rattled off a bunch of questions here

3125
02:30:37,511 --> 02:30:34,730
let's start with this one what's the

3126
02:30:40,211 --> 02:30:37,521
best concrete evidence for alien bases

3127
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on the moon some of the photographs that

3128
02:30:46,511 --> 02:30:43,190
I've had over the years going back to

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literally when George H Leonard came out

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with his

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book and I believe it was 1976 somebody

3132
02:30:58,060 --> 02:30:54,440
else is on the moon now in the book many

3133
02:31:02,290 --> 02:30:58,070
of those photographs are really hard to

3134
02:31:04,511 --> 02:31:02,300
see but I was able to years ago secure

3135
02:31:07,450 --> 02:31:04,521
from a source that got them directly

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02:31:11,950 --> 02:31:07,460
from NASA a number of those photographs

3137
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that definitely and I was not a photo

3138
02:31:18,341 --> 02:31:14,750
reconnaissance expert when I was in the

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Army but I'd had some as a matter of

3140
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fact look at some of these and if

3141
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they're not artificial to coin a famous

3142
02:31:32,920 --> 02:31:28,970
clip I made years ago that caused me

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much grief for a long period of time if

3144
02:31:41,261 --> 02:31:36,070
they're not artificial I'll eat my hat

3145
02:31:43,091 --> 02:31:41,271
do you hear me Cal korff oh hey when you

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see perfect right angles on the moon you

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know something's up well something is up

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sure and I got Cal who weighs less I get

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02:31:57,551 --> 02:31:53,300
started there because just one name a

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two word freakout will occur yes one

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photograph and and I actually I a minor

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miniature shootout with art bell during

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a an appearance I made on his show back

3154
02:32:18,790 --> 02:32:15,140
in February of 2001 an object actually

3155
02:32:22,060 --> 02:32:18,800
two objects that rolled up and out of

3156
02:32:25,710 --> 02:32:22,070
lunar craters and were rolling across

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02:32:29,591 --> 02:32:25,720
the lunar surface now if that wasn't

3158
02:32:33,100 --> 02:32:29,601
artificial and NASA tried to tell the

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02:32:36,070 --> 02:32:33,110
world that they were actually lunar

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02:32:39,420 --> 02:32:36,080
rocks but they were lunar rocks leaving

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02:32:42,551 --> 02:32:39,430
crud marks like a tank in the lunar soil

3162
02:32:45,640 --> 02:32:42,561
it sounds like the desert Raceway and

3163
02:32:47,440 --> 02:32:45,650
where the Mojave or Death Valley well

3164
02:32:50,341 --> 02:32:47,450
those are you talking about the moving

3165
02:32:53,440 --> 02:32:50,351
rocks out there yeah yeah well those

3166
02:32:55,930 --> 02:32:53,450
believe it or not our result

3167
02:32:58,690 --> 02:32:55,940
although it doesn't rain much it does

3168
02:33:01,480 --> 02:32:58,700
rain out there and when it does they

3169
02:33:01,950 --> 02:33:01,490
have what our flash floods and it's been

3170
02:33:04,830 --> 02:33:01,960
bass

3171
02:33:07,850 --> 02:33:04,840
we proven now that that water action

3172
02:33:12,510 --> 02:33:07,860
will move those rocks but as we all know

3173
02:33:14,850 --> 02:33:12,520
the moon is pretty dry and doesn't rain

3174
02:33:18,060 --> 02:33:14,860
on the moon no whatever we're leaving

3175
02:33:22,590 --> 02:33:18,070
those tracks it's highly unlikely that

3176
02:33:26,010 --> 02:33:22,600
they were or natural so one from Vesta

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high folk who has been a longtime poster

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he's almost up to a thousand posts on

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the forum and that's just yesterday and

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that was just yesterday he's probably

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gonna have about another half a dozen

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02:33:38,700 --> 02:33:35,800
after this show done do you think there

3183
02:33:41,370 --> 02:33:38,710
is any real evidence of Bigfoot do I

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think there well that's not an area that

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02:33:51,030 --> 02:33:47,410
I have a lot of experience with but yeah

3186
02:33:54,030 --> 02:33:51,040
I do think that it's it's possible

3187
02:33:56,130 --> 02:33:54,040
I won't go as far as to say probable but

3188
02:34:00,270 --> 02:33:56,140
I do think it's possible that there is

3189
02:34:03,090 --> 02:34:00,280
some type of bipedal creature out there

3190
02:34:07,530 --> 02:34:03,100
that we would refer to as Bigfoot or

3191
02:34:11,010 --> 02:34:07,540
Sasquatch or the abominable snowman

3192
02:34:13,260 --> 02:34:11,020
if you're in the Himalayas yeah I do

3193
02:34:17,670 --> 02:34:13,270
think it's it's possible can I could I

3194
02:34:19,560 --> 02:34:17,680
prove that no but I'm not willing to to

3195
02:34:22,200 --> 02:34:19,570
be a total naysayer on the way

3196
02:34:24,680 --> 02:34:22,210
Kamel but catch him prove it I don't

3197
02:34:27,600 --> 02:34:24,690
know okay here's one interesting

3198
02:34:30,420 --> 02:34:27,610
interesting question from Steve see who

3199
02:34:33,210 --> 02:34:30,430
has been a lurker at forum dr. Peric

3200
02:34:35,370 --> 02:34:33,220
ascom for a couple of years with the

3201
02:34:37,080 --> 02:34:35,380
report by needs and I'm not sure which

3202
02:34:39,480 --> 02:34:37,090
report he's referring to they've

3203
02:34:41,940 --> 02:34:39,490
actually released a number of them and

3204
02:34:44,340 --> 02:34:41,950
the recent book by Greg Valdez who of

3205
02:34:45,990 --> 02:34:44,350
course we had on last week his dad was

3206
02:34:48,510 --> 02:34:46,000
Gabe Valdez the New Mexico state

3207
02:34:50,640 --> 02:34:48,520
patrolman up in dulce has there been any

3208
02:34:53,280 --> 02:34:50,650
closure for you concerning the cattle

3209
02:34:55,530 --> 02:34:53,290
mutilation phenomenon since that is what

3210
02:34:58,250 --> 02:34:55,540
started you on this crazy UFO journey

3211
02:35:00,570 --> 02:34:58,260
way back when you were police officer no

3212
02:35:04,170 --> 02:35:00,580
let's talk about it short and sweet

3213
02:35:05,520 --> 02:35:04,180
answer yeah there's no closure okay well

3214
02:35:07,530 --> 02:35:05,530
maybe after you read the book I'm

3215
02:35:10,440 --> 02:35:07,540
slaving away on maybe you'll change your

3216
02:35:11,100 --> 02:35:10,450
mind on that but I'm probably not don't

3217
02:35:13,560 --> 02:35:11,110
hold your breath

3218
02:35:16,770 --> 02:35:13,570
okay we've got

3219
02:35:19,051 --> 02:35:16,780
we've got a bunch of them here let's go

3220
02:35:22,231 --> 02:35:19,061
back to a question from vespi hi folks

3221
02:35:24,390 --> 02:35:22,241
in your research what case stands out as

3222
02:35:25,581 --> 02:35:24,400
the most solid evidence of alien

3223
02:35:29,791 --> 02:35:25,591
visitation

3224
02:35:32,371 --> 02:35:29,801
sts-48 okay good one like that was a

3225
02:35:34,591 --> 02:35:32,381
short and sweet but we only have two and

3226
02:35:38,821 --> 02:35:34,601
a half minutes left so the next answers

3227
02:35:40,801 --> 02:35:38,831
have to be even shorter and sweeter okay

3228
02:35:42,541 --> 02:35:40,811
what who are the current researchers and

3229
02:35:44,551 --> 02:35:42,551
investigators in your opinion that are

3230
02:35:47,640 --> 02:35:44,561
actually making some headway with UFO

3231
02:35:50,220 --> 02:35:47,650
conundrum well I think actually and I'm

3232
02:35:53,180 --> 02:35:50,230
not kissing your tail and Chris I think

3233
02:35:56,241 --> 02:35:53,190
you're doing a hell of a job thank you

3234
02:36:03,361 --> 02:35:59,041
are you guys you and Vicki gonna start

3235
02:36:08,251 --> 02:36:03,371
another UFO magazine I understand this

3236
02:36:10,291 --> 02:36:08,261
is a kya tryst for that yeah that comes

3237
02:36:11,640 --> 02:36:10,301
from Steve see says money if money

3238
02:36:15,560 --> 02:36:11,650
wasn't an issue would you and Vicki

3239
02:36:21,171 --> 02:36:15,570
consider running UFO magazine again no

3240
02:36:27,241 --> 02:36:24,901
okay how would you characterize the UFO

3241
02:36:28,801 --> 02:36:27,251
occupants attitudes towards humans

3242
02:36:31,111 --> 02:36:28,811
that's making a big leap right there

3243
02:36:33,631 --> 02:36:31,121
number one but would you say that they

3244
02:36:36,331 --> 02:36:33,641
are indifferent towards humanity or they

3245
02:36:39,321 --> 02:36:36,341
care about us in our future or are we

3246
02:36:43,201 --> 02:36:39,331
just cattle to them to be used and

3247
02:36:44,180 --> 02:36:43,211
abused well depending upon who you talk

3248
02:36:56,071 --> 02:36:44,190
to

3249
02:36:59,640 --> 02:36:56,081
well there's not a tremendous amount of

3250
02:37:03,331 --> 02:36:59,650
evidence to suggest we're not I've

3251
02:37:06,571 --> 02:37:03,341
always thought that if big question the

3252
02:37:09,930 --> 02:37:06,581
operative word if they are real if they

3253
02:37:12,871 --> 02:37:09,940
came here or are coming here that at

3254
02:37:16,560 --> 02:37:12,881
best they're working on their own agenda

3255
02:37:20,011 --> 02:37:16,570
and what that agenda is that is the well

3256
02:37:23,821 --> 02:37:20,021
not even $64,000 question that's a 64

3257
02:37:26,150 --> 02:37:23,831
million dollar question and I really

3258
02:37:28,520 --> 02:37:26,160
don't believe that if they are

3259
02:37:30,650 --> 02:37:28,530
they must give a damn one way or the

3260
02:37:33,171 --> 02:37:30,660
other we have more questions in the till

3261
02:37:35,091 --> 02:37:33,181
and when I last on to do is answer some

3262
02:37:38,150 --> 02:37:35,101
of your questions over at forum dot the

3263
02:37:40,070 --> 02:37:38,160
para cast calm or save him for his next

3264
02:37:41,240 --> 02:37:40,080
appearance on the show so Don actor

3265
02:37:44,240 --> 02:37:41,250
where do we find more of your stuff

3266
02:37:46,251 --> 02:37:44,250
other than the forum of course well of

3267
02:37:55,341 --> 02:37:46,261
course the pair cast formed Dark Matters

3268
02:37:58,791 --> 02:37:55,351
radio is one place WWD qrm dot-com

3269
02:38:01,100 --> 02:37:58,801
is where you can catch my show live

3270
02:38:04,730 --> 02:38:01,110
Monday through Friday starting at 10:00

3271
02:38:09,020 --> 02:38:04,740
p.m. Pacific time and there is an

3272
02:38:12,140 --> 02:38:09,030
extensive archive of past shows and I

3273
02:38:15,770 --> 02:38:12,150
might add some real gems in there I have

3274
02:38:19,551 --> 02:38:15,780
that listed not only in the DRM forum on

3275
02:38:25,100 --> 02:38:19,561
the podcast but also on Facebook Don

3276
02:38:27,591 --> 02:38:25,110
Ecker and the Dark Matters forum and fan

3277
02:38:30,020 --> 02:38:27,601
for Dark Matters radio and Don actor

3278
02:38:32,810 --> 02:38:30,030
there's two places up there okay you can

3279
02:38:36,921 --> 02:38:32,820
find chris at our strange planet comm

3280
02:38:39,400 --> 02:38:36,931
you can find us on the para cast comm on

3281
02:38:42,051 --> 02:38:39,410
twitter we're known as the para cast on

3282
02:38:44,570 --> 02:38:42,061
facebook there's a para cast fan club in

3283
02:38:46,791 --> 02:38:44,580
fact there are two Don Ecker thanks for

3284
02:38:49,220 --> 02:38:46,801
joining us this week on the para cast

3285
02:38:56,261 --> 02:38:49,230
Thank You Dean it's a great pleasure to

3286
02:39:02,201 --> 02:38:59,291
the para cast featuring Jean Steinberg

3287
02:39:05,161 --> 02:39:02,211
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3288
02:39:09,100 --> 02:39:05,171
presentation of making the impossible